I fall under this category. I love to always be on top of things, I love to always be the best I can be in the game, or the strongest.
I agree, well said!
This just means that the old system wasn't perfect and needed improvements. But it does not automatically mean that in general the idea of a system in which you only improve skills that you actually use is a bad idea.
OMG lol, he is so right...
Yes, i remember learning from books. Also remember searching for a specific book could take ages. And forum posts
This is a very good point. I hadn't actually taken the math behind the skills and perks into account.
It still is that way if you want. You earn xp for almost every action that translates to an improved skill via perks. If you want the feeling of only getting your advancement in farming via farming then do a bunch of farming. Grind those farms out and you will earn xp from farming to spend on farming to improve farming. The only reason you wouldn't do that is if you actually love some other way of playing more than learning by doing...
Yeah, all those players who put a weight on their jump button and then went AFK for a couple hours would have been outraged that they'd actually have to play the game rather than watch Seinfeld reruns...
What are you talking about? I simply said that the new ruleset allows people the freedom to play how they want. Why shouldn't the player have the freedom to decide how they want to play the game after the menu? Please explain yourself on this because a ton of people want the game to offer more choice and not less. As I explained in A17 I could:
It's your choice to believe that survival, sandboxing, and roleplaying must be mutually exclusive. It does not violate the idea of a survival game because I got my headshot perk on day 2 instead of day 1 because I wanted to kill 12 zombies with arrows before spending that perk because it would help me feel more immersed in the idea that I was learning by doing. To me, never spending a moment in the game planting anything and spending the perk on farming after killing a wandering horde granted me a point might be highly efficient not very immersive in a survival setting. But spending a day harvesting some crops in the wild and planting some seeds found in loot would very much make that point spent on farming feel more immersive AND I disagree that just because I waited until Day 3 to gain that farming perk until I could do some farming focused gameplay that it disqualifies the game from being survival since I could have more efficiently spent the point on Day 2 right after killing the horde.
You make excellent points and I did not really believe that anyone would actually try to earn an entire level and thus secure a point by only doing the one xp earning action that most aligned with the perk they wanted to buy. You are correct that you would have to plant and harvest thousands and thousands of crops if you decided to start being a farmer at level 120. I just stated the fact that the option is there for purists who really want the xp for points spent to come from well aligned actions that earned those points.
None of my pages long posts ever said that it did make sense. In fact the whole premise of this thread is that with a bit of roleplaying you can negate the fact that it doesn't make sense. So in essence this thread is my own proclamation that killing zombies doesn't make you a better farmer. There is a difference in talking about how to make sense of something and arguing that the something makes sense in and of itself. You just confused what it was I was doing. But this post is shorter than a page so it should do the trick for you.
Are you suggesting the system does not make sense? In that case, great Roland! We agree on this.
You forget a fundamental pillar of roleplaying: rules. Which, your suggested way of playing, doesn't have.
Thank you, now I understand: your post was about offering an artificial, constructed, contorted way to make sense of a senseless system.
One can be both, they are not mutually exclusive.
Very convenient to invite the opposition to leave your thread alone. You are presenting your view about an important topic to the whole community. However I feel compelled to intervene when reality is distorted.
Cant give too many reputationpoints to one user, so have it in this way:
Where are you getting “suggested” from? I stated it blatantly. In less than a page. Here, I’ll say it again plainly and you can gloat again that you’ve somehow caught me in something: becoming better at farming by killing zombies makes no sense.
So you just want rules? If the quest system was used to force you to harvest 5 corn and 5 potatoes before the perk point spent on farming would activate it you’d be fine? If every perk had a mini quest that forced the player to do an action related to the perk before they could spend the point on the perk then you wouldn’t complain?
Finally. Although I would say it is only completely senseless to those like you who value efficiency above all else. Even without imposing a learning by doing quest upon myself, I largely feel the xp is well representative of whole game play because I don’t insist on taking the one most efficient path.
yeah, but by your own admission you’ll never include roleplaying if it involves a less efficient action. Min/Maxing by its very nature excludes all but the one true most efficient path. It is stupid to do otherwise if efficiency is your goal.
That wasn’t an invitation. That was a statement that what I’m describing as a methodology for play under the new rules is not going to be to your liking using a Star Wars reference joke.
What’s the use of replying if my self-imposed play choice doesn’t work with your self-imposed play choice? It’s not for you. That’s what my whole OP was saying. Automatic skill gaining is not really about learning by doing. It is completely about playing the game as an efficiency puzzle. Since you can stop self-imposing doing the one most efficient action any time you want and do other slightly less efficient actions in order to learn by doing there isn’t anything more to say other than do it or don’t do it. When you get A17 and eventually find the optimal path and then only play the game that way but then complain that it makes no sense just remember that it’s just your own self imposition making it so.
Then why do you continue to do it? The game allows you to play in one most efficient path and it allows you to play holistically. Either way of playing is a self-imposed choice.
Using the min/max process is a self-imposed rule, my friend. Nothing forces you to play that way. Believing that min/maxing is mandatory is an illusion. I can play your way and I can play my way—just not at the same time.
Sounds like you have an issue with peer pressure. Have we come full circle to PvP now? Shall I say it? Okay. The game isn’t designed as a PvP experience although you can choose to do it. I get the pressure to self-impose effiency if you are playing the game competitively and want to have an advantage over other players on the server. What does that have to do with SP and MP PvE which are the two well advertised main modes that the devs are designing the game for?
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE between "world rules"/game mechanics, and forcing you to do something you don't want to.
I know this MIGHT surprise you... but I'm roleplaying as a guy in the zombie apocalypse, who will do EVERYTHING IT TAKES to survive. THAT is my roleplay. And in my opinion it should be the main way to "roleplay". I don't roleplay in minecraft that I'm a lost Asian girl and just wanna find my daddy. I could... but don't you think "roleplaying" as a guy stranded in the middle of nowwhere who has to build himself a home" is far more appropriate?
