Jost Amman
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I'm 90% sure that the game is 99% complete, but 70% of that may not be true. :confused2:
PC Original Promises and Plans and the Current State of the Game
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Melange
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Had to look that one up. Quite interesting...sure, bring it on if its free-use by now, why not?
as "Superheroes" you have for example: Iron Man, Dr. Strange, Batman. Compare these heroes with Wonder Woman. Then compare Wonder Woman and Emma Woodhouse.
as "Mammal" you have for example: dog, cow, horse. Compare those mammals with a whale. Then compare the whale with a shark.
So what?
Melange
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I get it. Can't compare a shark to a woodlouse. It wastes your time and annoys the shark.as "Superheroes" you have for example: Iron Man, Dr. Strange, Batman. Compare these heroes with Wonder Woman. Then compare Wonder Woman and Emma Woodhouse.
as "Mammal" you have for example: dog, cow, horse. Compare those mammals with a whale. Then compare the whale with a shark.
So what?
Matt115
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I see you point hah. I just use "effective" solutions - one time vulcture respawned in strange place and i and my friend coudn't find this - solution? collapse the building XD
Good too know that water overhaul will be pretty big
as "Superheroes" you have for example: Iron Man, Dr. Strange, Batman. Compare these heroes with Wonder Woman. Then compare Wonder Woman and Emma Woodhouse.
as "Mammal" you have for example: dog, cow, horse. Compare those mammals with a whale. Then compare the whale with a shark.
So what?
Okay : i mean that's some "tropes" are similiar - in Dead space , f.e.a.r. little nighmares, or the forest there is big "focus' on environtment - a lot of corpses, strange voices, controversial stuff, dark and deppresing stuff usually characters are pretty weak and lonely and if meet someone usualy this person die after while.
In post apo you have two " main ways" - west - like fallout or rage - parody and satire, while in east post apo is bigger focus on deppresing stuff but in this same time you have a lot of characters.
You can make post apo with zombies and this don't have to be horror game - for example they are bilion. Okay so why the forest is horror sandbox game while 7dtd is sandbox with horror elements?
1. world is more dangerous and "secretly" that 7dtd - strange places, you don't know what to expect
2. enemy design and types
3. controversial/edgy stuff
4. much more gore everywhere
5. characters are pretty weak and resources are very limited
6. "art style" decisions
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Roland
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I see you point hah. I just use "effective" solutions - one time vulcture respawned in strange place and i and my friend coudn't find this - solution? collapse the building XD
Good too know that water overhaul will be pretty big
Okay : i mean that's some "tropes" are similiar - in Dead space , f.e.a.r. little nighmares, or the forest there is big "focus' on environtment - a lot of corpses, strange voices, controversial stuff, dark and deppresing stuff usually characters are pretty weak and lonely and if meet someone usualy this person die after while.
7D2D:
A lot of corpses? After I killed them, yes. Check
Strange Voices? Trader Rekt. Check
Controversial Stuff? Perk system. Check
Dark? At Night. Check
Depressing? Trader Jen seems only interested in my money. Check
Weak and lonely? Good description of a stealth player. Check
Meet a person and he dies? Check check and check for hundreds of them.
Nobody says that 7D2D is or has as much horror as the Forest. But come on, if you ever have played the Forest as often as you have 7D2D you won't find any strange places anymore or won't know what to expect.
7D2D is a department store of genres, it has something of everything and nothing at max.
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NekoPawtato
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Good lord, Matt. We get it. You don't think 7DTD is horror. The fact of the matter is that this is YOUR OPINION and you can think that while simultaneously other players feel differently. It has absolutely no bearing on our enjoyment of the game or whether or not this game is meeting the original goals. Let's move on.
Matt115
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Rekt sounds normal! just you know he is a "litte bit " tired7D2D:
A lot of corpses? After I killed them, yes. Check
Strange Voices? Trader Rekt. Check
Controversial Stuff? Perk system. Check
Dark? At Night. Check
Depressing? Trader Jen seems only interested in my money. Check
Weak and lonely? Good description of a stealth player. Check
Meet a person and he dies? Check check and check for hundreds of them.
Nobody says that 7D2D is or has as much horror as the Forest. But come on, if you ever have played the Forest as often as you have 7D2D you won't find any strange places anymore or won't know what to expect.
7D2D is a department store of genres, it has something of everything and nothing at max.
."Strange place" is hm... style of place that's not "normal" uhh let's say - in slasher movie girl fall into the pit under totaly normal hotel and there hangs bodies and painted flowers on walls with small altar.
You know - normal "generic" destroyed house and normal house with chained skeletons in basment or hanging corpse with drawing on wall
Okay i will explain to my point of view - " Let's move on." you can find in every community people who write something like that. And no matter how something will be bad/boring/ pay-2-win there always will say "use to it" or " let's move on". Quick example - during WaW period people complaing about silencers and reflex optic on MP40 but some guys were saying "let's move on this is just MP" or " but it's fun so this mean more to be fun" and now in Vanguard we have anime skins and terminator skins... in ww2 game. It was a long process. So that's i'm so "conservative" because... some people can say that MC is horror game because creepers in mines or cod is realistic because have "such good graphic". But more accurate should be "MC have horror elements, cod have realistic graphic" small diffrence - yes but if you ask me -> tons of small stuff change things a lot
Roland
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I think it was due to the fact that when they first brought out the game they had Minecraft firmly in their minds and Minecraft had domestication of animals. As they proceeded they wanted to divorce themselves from Minecraft and didn't want to be thought of as a fancy Minecraft overhaul mod. They got rid of the crafting that was like Minecraft and became uninterested in other Minecraft-like similarities.
Animal domestication turned into wolf companion taming which turned into the drone follower so there was evolutionary migration. Finally, it has been suggested to them over the years time and time again to allow players to build chicken coops to simulate domesticated chickens or fishing traps to simulate a kind of fishing but they have been very resistant to those kinds of things. I guess you would call it a shift in their vision.
Once the game releases officially we can all scream "What about your promise of domesticated animals!!!!" and we'll see if they start sweating bullets and come out with post release update suddenly*
*suddenly = 2-year development time
You'll let this slide but not allow 7 Days to Die to claim some survival horror in the mix of all their genres????
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Matt115
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Horror elements =/= survival horror. Cod BO3 have RPG elements - make decisions etc. but you can't say it's a fps rpg. In this same time Bordeland can be called fps hackenslasher because both things here are equal. GTA 5 is sandbox FPP-FPS ( after update it's equal) with raceing elements not sandbox FPS- raceing game. Call to arms you name FPS-RTS hybrid because both parts are equal but man of war FFP control is just small element.
The best example about this diffrence - Fear is horror FPS while Bioshock is FPS with horror elements. If played/watched gameplay you can spot much bigger focus on horror in FEAR while in bioshock it's just small addition like in Half life 2 because much bigger focus is on typical PS3 FPS elements.
Why i'm so sticking about that? because if developers/publishers were much more stick about that situation on market would looks much better
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Riamus
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I keep seeing edgy and controversial in the description of horror. Why? Can those be in horror? Sure. Are they aspects of horror? No. They are just things that some horror uses, mostly due to the world we are living in today as those weren't common among horror decades ago. Back then, if it startled you, it could be considered horror, or if there was murder and it wasn't meant to be realistic or historical, it could be considered horror. It didn't take much.
Today, there more kinds of horror than we had back then. Many of them use a spooky theme and they can be edgy or controversial parts, though not always. These are just options for specific kinds of horror, but horror is not limited to such a specific definition. Horror doesn't even have to be dark. That is common, but not a requirement.
This game has horror aspects, though I'll agree that horror isn't the first thing I think when I play the game. But that doesn't mean they are wrong to call it survival horror.
Today, there more kinds of horror than we had back then. Many of them use a spooky theme and they can be edgy or controversial parts, though not always. These are just options for specific kinds of horror, but horror is not limited to such a specific definition. Horror doesn't even have to be dark. That is common, but not a requirement.
This game has horror aspects, though I'll agree that horror isn't the first thing I think when I play the game. But that doesn't mean they are wrong to call it survival horror.
Roland
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Laz Man
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Roland
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You think you are safe by not discussing survival horror? That's the forum equivalent of splitting up to cover more ground. Matt will pop up when least expected and take everyone out one by one.
OMG, I'm the old coot that gives the warnings that nobody listens to. It's going to happen all over again....
OMG, I'm the old coot that gives the warnings that nobody listens to. It's going to happen all over again....
Jost Amman
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Ok, I'm now recycling LazMan's meme for a different purpose:
Spoiler
Now, imagine that in that video, Roland is the guy putting the shapes into the square shaped hole, and @Matt115 is the girl (sorry Matt!). Basically we have Matt115 nitpicking about the "horror" definition, and "survival" definition (the other shapes) and saying that they don't fit the square shape. And Roland is saying that any shape (RPG, horror, survival) can fit into the square hole (which is 7D2D). :lol:
Spoiler
Now, imagine that in that video, Roland is the guy putting the shapes into the square shaped hole, and @Matt115 is the girl (sorry Matt!). Basically we have Matt115 nitpicking about the "horror" definition, and "survival" definition (the other shapes) and saying that they don't fit the square shape. And Roland is saying that any shape (RPG, horror, survival) can fit into the square hole (which is 7D2D). :lol:
Matt115
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Yes
horror is connected with edgy and controversial. Well even classic like books - Frankenstein was considered as controversial in their period ( i don't want to do lecture about that).
And i could wrote about movies comic but jut focus on game shall we?
Okay so : let's start from older games to newer : Resident evil was censured because was too much controversial in some countries. F.E.A.R - unethical experiments of children, nude adult Alma + gore, Outlast 1+2 - gore and hm.... some "reference" ( you can find about controversial connected with 2), Fatal frame? Gore, suicide, character design, torturings and stuff. Silent hill - well just everything you want ( as example famous piramidhead and mannequin scene), The evil within - gore and some topic. Fnaf, Poppy playtime - i thing is know good enough to not have to explain, little nighmare - how to descibte to avoid spoilers. Pathologic 2... a lot of controvesial trops. Limbo - kid surffer in deppresing timeloop. The forest - canibalism, gore, experiments, types of enemies, "choice".
So as you see - edgy and controversial topic is part of horror, there in such things in 7DTD
Now i'm famous like Jason and Freddy
Oh....
there is comedy horror, zombie horror, japanish ghost horror, slasher horror etc. You sound like typical old man sitting in gas station warning teengers who want to spend summer in cabin in middle of woods
You know what are you mean but this is like saying that elephant ( german tank destroyer) and T70 (soviet light tanks) are both just tanks because both have "barrel and tracks". But diffrence is so big.
Tale of ice and fire, chronicles of narnia and lord of the rings are fantasy books - but are so diffrent right?
For long period even racing games have two "stict" categories - Arcade ( here could be both lego and need for speed) and realistic (WRC) so you could be totaly fine about what type of game it will be. Now people can call survival horror - cod (zombie mode) , resident evil and 7dtd while this games are totaly diffrent like total war and age of empires