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xyth
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this mod needs the Vanilla UI, or one that is compatible.Hello, the UI is small and I can't select the options. What should I do?
We do not change the vanilla zombie targetting AI beyond adding the NPCs to the list, which is `ApproachAndAttackTarget class=EntityPlayer,0,EntityBandit,0,EntityEnemyAnimal,0,EntityNPC,0,EntityAnimal,0|` The player is the first priority of the zombies, so if it sees you, its going to go for you. Stealth wont help you if they are alerted and can see you.
Ok
. Another problem is that the ai doesn't seem to be able to shoot in most of the houses, but keeps going towards the walls.Not only that, they can't get out of the house properly, regardles
. Another problem is that the ai doesn't seem to be able to shoot in most of the houses, but keeps going towards the walls.Not only that, they can't get out of the house properly, regardless of whether there are zombies around.
drkstardragon
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Yes, a known issue, currently being worked on. Havent had much in the way of bug reports/feedback so far with the release of the "stable" version. Need info on reproduceable issues. Mod is really still in experimental phase, playtesting would be appreciated.Ok
s of whether there are zombies around.
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xyth
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This mod could really use some help testing out the NPCs in gameplay situations. If you are interested in joining the team as a tester, this is a list of known issues:
1. NPCs sometimes, after working as expected for a while, start slow walking, almost an stationary shuffle. We think we know the root case, and hopefully this one will be fixed in a day or so.
2. Game crashes on exit if you have both a hired NPC and a Drone active. Work around is pickup the drone before exiting. Have not found the root cause yet.
3. NPCs sometimes lose the ability to attack after a while. They will stop firing if ranged, or run up in your face but not attack. This one was reported but I cannot reproduce. If you can help identify conditions when it happens, that would help.
4. Pathing issues inside POIs. We know part of the root case and I reported to TFP testing staff. Vanilla zombies have the same issue, but since they will break blocks, it isn't easy to see. What is happening is in the vanilla Shapes.xml file, a huge number of shapes/blocks have the property `<property name="Path" value="solid" />` commented out. What this means is a zombie or an NPC might see going through that block shape as a valid path to get to the player. However, the zombie and NPC are physically blocked by that block. The zombie then attacks it, while the NPC just runs into it like its not there. Its not just inside POIs either. Ever wonder why zombies attack some trees for no apparent reason? Yup, same issue. Most trees are now fixed in the NPCCore is loaded now though.
The fix would be to identify any shapes in the shape.xml file that are causing this behavior, and we can in the short term uncomment those properties so those blocks act correctly. We then can let TFP know those shapes and they can add those fixes to the next game update. This will be easier to find on an NPC, as they will run into that block shape, or just stare at it depending on the active AI task.
Note: If you are in DM (debug mode) by typing DM into the console when in game, then after exiting the console, press the zero key on the numpad, you will see debug information over the head of all entities. On NPOCs it will show their target, and active task (movingto, idling, attacking etc. This information is important when reporting bugs. What was the AI telling the NPC to do when a bug happened?
Note2: Another helpful tool is pressing F3 while in debug mode to show another screen that will allow you to inspect the object you are looking at. F3 will tell you a lot about the player character, but holding the shift key down while F3 is toggled on will tell you about the NPC or block you are looking at. That's an easy way to identify the bad block shapes.
In A22 when TFP releases bandits, this pathing issue might be a huge issue for them to test, so if you ever wanted to get in on testing that will improve the quality of a game you care about, this may be your chance. Anyone who shows they are active in testing will be welcomed to join the NPC community team, and be credited for their work.
Thanks in advance!
1. NPCs sometimes, after working as expected for a while, start slow walking, almost an stationary shuffle. We think we know the root case, and hopefully this one will be fixed in a day or so.
2. Game crashes on exit if you have both a hired NPC and a Drone active. Work around is pickup the drone before exiting. Have not found the root cause yet.
3. NPCs sometimes lose the ability to attack after a while. They will stop firing if ranged, or run up in your face but not attack. This one was reported but I cannot reproduce. If you can help identify conditions when it happens, that would help.
4. Pathing issues inside POIs. We know part of the root case and I reported to TFP testing staff. Vanilla zombies have the same issue, but since they will break blocks, it isn't easy to see. What is happening is in the vanilla Shapes.xml file, a huge number of shapes/blocks have the property `<property name="Path" value="solid" />` commented out. What this means is a zombie or an NPC might see going through that block shape as a valid path to get to the player. However, the zombie and NPC are physically blocked by that block. The zombie then attacks it, while the NPC just runs into it like its not there. Its not just inside POIs either. Ever wonder why zombies attack some trees for no apparent reason? Yup, same issue. Most trees are now fixed in the NPCCore is loaded now though.
The fix would be to identify any shapes in the shape.xml file that are causing this behavior, and we can in the short term uncomment those properties so those blocks act correctly. We then can let TFP know those shapes and they can add those fixes to the next game update. This will be easier to find on an NPC, as they will run into that block shape, or just stare at it depending on the active AI task.
Note: If you are in DM (debug mode) by typing DM into the console when in game, then after exiting the console, press the zero key on the numpad, you will see debug information over the head of all entities. On NPOCs it will show their target, and active task (movingto, idling, attacking etc. This information is important when reporting bugs. What was the AI telling the NPC to do when a bug happened?
Note2: Another helpful tool is pressing F3 while in debug mode to show another screen that will allow you to inspect the object you are looking at. F3 will tell you a lot about the player character, but holding the shift key down while F3 is toggled on will tell you about the NPC or block you are looking at. That's an easy way to identify the bad block shapes.
In A22 when TFP releases bandits, this pathing issue might be a huge issue for them to test, so if you ever wanted to get in on testing that will improve the quality of a game you care about, this may be your chance. Anyone who shows they are active in testing will be welcomed to join the NPC community team, and be credited for their work.
Thanks in advance!
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Fox
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Ok, so I finally hired one of the Raider Gurls for inside my base as a lookout. One thing I noticed is that she's constantly sighing like she's out of stamina while doing nothing. Could this be the thing you're looking for as to why they stop attacking / walking slowly? If it falls in the category of player (which I think it does as it counts towards player kills if you kill them), could they maybe also have food / thirst / stamina levels or lacking a stamina number and therefore barely function once hired?
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RE-EDIT: Nvm, I have an idea what Full control and Hunting is now. Full control defends your immediate location (perfect for when following) and Hunting allows them their full range and can attack at free will (perfect for everything else). But this is why a proper description is so important. RE-RE-EDIT: I saw the description in-game... sneaky, but that works too... I guess.
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Test environment: Closed stairway with access to the outside world.
Problem found: The npc keeps going down the log, regardless of whether it has access to the outside world.
I originally suspected that the guardrail might be the cause, so I removed the guardrail, but it did not seem to work
Later, I suspected that the other blocks could not recognize the problem, so I replaced the surrounding blocks of stairs again, but it still did not work. But there is a phenomenon: the npc head starts flashing, so I suspect there may be a problem with the ai route planning.
Problem found: The npc keeps going down the log, regardless of whether it has access to the outside world.
I originally suspected that the guardrail might be the cause, so I removed the guardrail, but it did not seem to work
Later, I suspected that the other blocks could not recognize the problem, so I replaced the surrounding blocks of stairs again, but it still did not work. But there is a phenomenon: the npc head starts flashing, so I suspect there may be a problem with the ai route planning.
xyth
Community Moderator
Thanks for testing guys. Please download the SCore version posted today. It has some fixes that will help. We are still working to improve pathing, but that new SCore release helped a lot. Issue #1 listed above should be improved, but not fixed yet.
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DrunkZombie
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Is there an estimate on when khzmusik_Civilians will be released? I've been waiting for it before starting a new game. Thanks.
khzmusik
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I'm working on Zombies now, but it sounds like civilians will be next. You can follow progress in my thread if you like.
DrunkZombie
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The spiders, when using the Colony Expansion Add On Pack, can now be found in all Biomes. They are tagged to existing hostile animal groups and at a balanced and regulated rate. They'll be seen but it won't be an infestation.Fox said:
