PC Need more bones and fat pimps.

I obviously don't have loot at 200% for the same reason that I don't have any mods. I am playing the game in it's default state. There is no issue with my play style. You don't get to judge people's decisions in a single player RPG. If I want to play a glass cannon, then I should be able to and it should be viable. Nothing should be excluded from possibility just because you don't approve. The answer is not to set loot to 200%. The answer is to fix the bone and fat shortage.
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Ok well there you go. You have options and ways already implemented into the game you just refuse to use them. At this point you are coming across as stubborn when people offer you viable options that do not require modding the game through xml files. Obviously their is an issue with your play style because you seem to want insane amount of resources on a default setting that obviously aren't meant for default. Again use different ammo, put loot at 200%, air drops every day, loot respawn to the shortest amount of time and that will solve your issue. If you refuse to do that then it's on you for not wanting to make those changes to suit your individual play style. You are basically asking a dungeon master that your glass cannon build should tank Orcs with no issues because it isn't fair that an actual tank can do it and you cant.

 
How many bones do you need? My question is sincere. Just curious what cool things glue can be used for that makes people want to use glue. I barely use it myself so I wonder what I'm not thinking of.

Thx

 
Ok well there you go. You have options and ways already implemented into the game you just refuse to use them. At this point you are coming across as stubborn when people offer you viable options that do not require modding the game through xml files. Obviously their is an issue with your play style because you seem to want insane amount of resources on a default setting that obviously aren't meant for default. Again use different ammo, put loot at 200%, air drops every day, loot respawn to the shortest amount of time and that will solve your issue. If you refuse to do that then it's on you for not wanting to make those changes to suit your individual play style. You are basically asking a dungeon master that your glass cannon build should tank Orcs with no issues because it isn't fair that an actual tank can do it and you cant.
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Do you completely not understand the concept of "default" settings being playable? I don't need 200% more of everything. Default needs more bone and fat resource. You still don't understand the concept of people being able to play the game they way they want to. The recipes for better ammo exist. I speced into it for a reason. FFS you are dense.

 
Do you completely not understand the concept of "default" settings being playable? I don't need 200% more of everything. Default needs more bone and fat resource. You still don't understand the concept of people being able to play the game they way they want to. The recipes for better ammo exist. I speced into it for a reason. FFS you are dense.
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Umm so even though you can change the settings to suit how you want to play you refuse because you insist on playing the game on other settings? Default isn't meant for you to have insane amounts of special ammo just because you spec into it, obviously you can make the ammo you just want crazy amounts of it. if you want more of certain things you increase loot abundance, increase air drops, decrease loot respawn time so you can go back into that same town and reloot it and find more items. You insisting on only playing on default when you have other viable options to gather the resources you need is the issue. explain why you refuse to change the settings if it will fix the issue and let you play the way you want?

 
Consider Bones in the larger context of the overall game.

Pretty easy to see that random number jebus can have an extreme effect on a given game right?

1) how many working stations: if a Chem Station then you can have twice the amount of Glue as same 'game' without one

-- Beakers

2) every time you loot it's random. yes should even out but it by no means has to

3) every wandering horde; if lots of z-dogs, then lots of bones

4) Traitor stock

A Big one: we don't know if TFPs have decided that Bones will be a new shortage/grind. One could argue that by the quick introduction of roadway gore blocks for more bones that it -isn't- intended as one.

I'd personally argue against it being one since, A) there are already a number of those in game. B) Bones are one of the few resources that have an -optional- yet basically painless way to allow players in any setup to have enough of them. C) also very easy to prevent them from being OP'd, unlike some other resources.

In B) referring to suggestion to allow zombies to be harvested.

By C) consider the gunpowder cost of Exploding Bolts. Gunpowder is already a limiting resource, even when doubled if you have a Chem Station. If a player prefers ExBolts over 7.62/Shotgun ammo then fine by me. And consider the addition of Steel Casings to the game; that has to be looked at as a way to -reduce- the number of 'shortages' associated with making 9mm/7.62 ammo.

 
How many bones do you need? My question is sincere. Just curious what cool things glue can be used for that makes people want to use glue. I barely use it myself so I wonder what I'm not thinking of.
Thx
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Pretty much everything late game, vehicles, armor, weapons, mods, require duct tape, and in the case of vehicles, often times in substantial amounts. If your lucky, you can loot duct tape or get it at traders. Duct tape is such a critical thing that road kill was added in at the last minute to provide extra bones.

I thought I read the devs are taking balance pass at things, so I'm sure in the long run, it will be worked out.

In the meantime, I made a modlet that lets a player make glue from rotting flesh at a chemistry station.

https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?99028-MODLET-make-glue-from-rotting-flesh-at-chemistry-station

- P

 
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How many bones do you need? My question is sincere. Just curious what cool things glue can be used for that makes people want to use glue. I barely use it myself so I wonder what I'm not thinking of.
Thx
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Repair kits, explosive bolts, shotgun shells.

 
Maybe your idea sucks. I dont know you get back what you give when you post.
Sure we need more bones but no no no to harvesting any zombies anymore. Increase the drop on animals and on the gore piles.
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I modded this in.

Gave animals x5 bones and problem solved.

Not too many, not too few.... was just right.

How about coffins in the graveyards. Can we have bones as a high probability to drop in those. Would give people a more compelling reason to become a grave robber
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I actually like this idea.

You know... aside from the macabre fact that we're stealing bones from dead folks.

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Yep, lots of solid ways to address this, if of course, TFPs consider Bones to be along the lines of Cotton and not an intentional squeeze.

While I to have bad memories of hacking up all the zombies, I reconsidered after factoring in that it wouldn't be a 'must do', not at all, the corpses would still quickly disappear so maybe after taking out a 'normal zeds' wandering horde you'd be able to harvest a couple three then the rest go away.

The argument that has me leaning that way a bit more than a large increase in bones from animals is simply the rng factor on animal spawns. While I don't bother stopping and getting off the bike (that I -finally- have!) to whack a lone z on the side of the road, I certainly stop if I see a hog or deer.

But who knows, maybe a bit across the board would be best? I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that the devs don't decide that a "Bone Grind" is too good a pun to pass up :D

 
The graves would need to respawn from time to time, but it makes sense, bones from buzzards and snakes would be helpful.

To a large extent, in a world where some catastrophe wiped out 80% of the population, and turned the rest into homicidal zombies, it seems like bones should be pretty easy to find. Especially in the hub city, you should find bones in every nook and cranny.

From a historical point of view, folks have been making glue from collagen (animal bones, and connective tissues) for a long time, so it makes sense you would boil bones in a chemistry station to make glue.

I really believe the bone issue will be worked out, and all we need to do now are work arounds until something official happens.

- P

 
What is the source of the glue problem? Guns and Ammo.

Guns breaking down too fast, because damage is so low they need lots of ammo fighting at high GS is part of it.

A partial solution would be to make guns a bit more realistically reliable and damaging.

The big problem IMO is paper. Paper for shotgun shells. Allow magazines to scrap for up to 50 paper would be a generous solution.

**On a side note, are other people seeing the animal carcass's on the road? Not a lot of bones there, but it keeps things running for me.

 
Paper!? On my MP server we have over 5000 paper and like 50 bones.

While schematics are valuable, we've started scrapping mags, which gives quite a bit of paper.

 
Paper!? On my MP server we have over 5000 paper and like 50 bones.
While schematics are valuable, we've started scrapping mags, which gives quite a bit of paper.
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Yup, always 10 different ways to skin a cat lol. I honestly don't have too much trouble finding glue/ductape, hitting up trashcans / garbage piles on the way to hunt animals/goreblocks on the ground to traders and bookstores (also, the farm POIs have either tons of goreblocks or piggies - or both). Takes different methods, but that cat can definitely be skinned a few different ways.

 
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I like the way you guys think. Even Jugginator :) but those Pimps better be wearing velvet suits and wild hats!

To your paper point Aldranon, glue isn't used to make paper in rl. In general (not always) the 'glue' holding the wood pulp together, 'lignin', is extracted and burned for energy to power the paper mill. But the lignin is in the wood, not an additive.

https://www.princeton.edu/~ota/disk1/1989/8931/893104.PDF

The road gore blocks? yeah, I've harvested all of those around me, get 1 bone per (no Huntsman perk). Playing Navsegane so not as many roads as it looks like RWG spawns, though, to be fair, I haven't been going all over the place; just got a bike for the first time.

pahbi, you reminded me of the writer K. J. Parker who did a fiction series 'The Fencer' where in the first book, Colours in the Steel, he covered in fine detail how plate armor was made, and in the second book, The Belly of the Bow, he described how bowers made composite bows, even went into the glue making process. Heck of a story teller too, though pretty damn dark in his plots.

 
I say the best option would be fat-pimps giving out bones in exchange for stripper zombies herded and brought to them. I've always meant to read his series, File, seemed interesting.

 
I say the best option would be fat-pimps giving out bones in exchange for stripper zombies herded and brought to them. I've always meant to read his series, File, seemed interesting.
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<soo many ways to get banned responding to that!! lol>

Would definately suggest reading a fair few reviews before buying his books. Pretty unique style. Kind of reminds me of black & white movies from the early 60's. Slower pace but somehow very engaging.

 
<soo many ways to get banned responding to that!! lol>
Would definitely suggest reading a fair few reviews before buying his books. Pretty unique style. Kind of reminds me of black & white movies from the early 60's. Slower pace but somehow very engaging.
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Oh, do you mean how the [redacted] would be rewarded with [redacted]? Yeah, that would be fun! For sure, it definitely sounds like something I would enjoy, just busy-work and passage of time I have sorta forgot about it. I have unique tastes lol, I enjoy slower/older styles and litiature (movies, too actually).

 
How? How are you not getting enough? Are you not killing the animals you come across when looting and questing? Have you not taken some levels of Huntsman?

Seriously.

 
How? How are you not getting enough? Are you not killing the animals you come across when looting and questing? Have you not taken some levels of Huntsman?
Seriously.
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In Alpha 16 I got about 500-700 bones from a single blood moon horde or about 20 bones from a single roaming horde. Compare this to what you get from random animal spawns.

 
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