PC Need advise for pc please

[mr.devolver]

So, the fact that AMD themselves admits to their driver issues and several links to topics relating to driver issues is considered a tie to your 1 vote of not having driver issues? Clearly someone is delusional and cannot be convinced of anything. With that said, I'm not even going to read the rest of your post.
Also, I don't read fake news articles which wccftech are known for.

I already said that I'm not here to argue, so I don't want to go back to this pointless argument and OP isn't interested in other user's rant, so how about giving him at least couple of examples from all the options that are really available to him within his budget and let him freely decide which components to choose instead of misleading him by trying to make it look like there's only one GPU brand that's reliable?

Here's my suggestion for reading for beginners. No bias here as it contains various builds using various brands of individual components for different budget ranges. I think it's a good starting point.

 

[Fox]

I already said that I'm not here to argue, so I don't want to go back to this pointless argument and OP isn't interested in other user's rant, so how about giving him at least couple of examples from all the options that are really available to him within his budget and let him freely decide which components to choose instead of misleading him by trying to make it look like there's only one GPU brand that's reliable?
Here's my suggestion for reading for beginners. No bias here as it contains various builds using various brands of individual components for different budget ranges. I think it's a good starting point.

Interesting how you pick a link that supports everything me and SylenThunder has said in this topic and that Nvidia is the better option for average and high end gamers which is what the OP aims for. Also, since all you think matters in GPU recommendations is reliability, why not also include Intel's new discrete GPUs? I mean, they're completely garbage as predicted, but they're also more than likely just as reliable as the other brands.

Sorry... couldn't help myself. I'll stop now.

 

[mr.devolver]

Interesting how you pick a link that supports everything me and SylenThunder has said in this topic and that Nvidia is the better option for average and high end gamers which is what the OP aims for. Also, since all you think matters in GPU recommendations is reliability, why not also include Intel's new discrete GPUs? I mean, they're completely garbage as predicted, but they're also more than likely just as reliable as the other brands.
Sorry... couldn't help myself. I'll stop now.

Could you remind me in which part exactly did they imply that Nvidia is better than AMD and also could you remind me where exactly did I say that I think that all that matters in GPU is reliability? Stop fabulating, dude.

Here's the actual part of the website that is talking about AMD vs Nvidia. It's in the FAQ section (note: after posting it's clear that the strike-through parts are not correctly presented in this forum, so for better understanding of the context is better to read it on the website from the link):

Q: Should I get an AMD Radeon RX or NVIDIA GeForce GTX/RTX?
In general, gaming performance is pretty similar to the same price point. It depends more on which games you play more than anything. On average, they perform within the margin of errors from each other (less than 10% difference)

There are some subtle differences outside of performance:

FreeSync monitors are cheaper but less consistent. If you do proper research, you save money over G-SYNC with minimal gap. Consequently, you need an AMD video card UPDATE: Since driver version 417.71, NVIDIA graphics cards (GTX 10 series or newer) support both FreeSync and G-SYNC monitors.

You can play your PC games on phones, tablets, etc. only if you have NVIDIA GPU Since the release of Steam Remote Play Together, you can now achieve the same functionality with any GPU brand.

NVIDIA has a noticeably better video encoder, and is therefore a better option for streaming.

Source: AMD vs NVIDIA from another point of view for more details.

Don't care about any of that? Just get whichever is cheaper, as they are both solid options.

Where does this say that Nvidia is better for gaming? Again, keep your sorries and instead stop fabulating, okay? The builds there consist of more variations than you offered, because you were strictly for Nvidia, whereas this guide has nice builds using AMD GPUs as well.

 

[asmosnuts]

Sorry to interrupt! But arent you getting ever so slightly off topic?

The op was asking about ready built systems, not the histories of amd and nvidia.

We all have our preferences and issues with software and hardware alike, try to give the poor bloke some actual advice instead of resurrecting age old arguments.

 

[Roland]

To bring this argument back to topic I asked the developers, "Is there a clear winner between AMD and NVIDIA when it comes to running this game and this game alone?"

Responses so far...

Schwanz9000 (QA team)

NVIDIA has had fewer issues from what I've seen

Madmole (developer)

I'd say NVIDIA

faatal (developer)

NVIDIA

Regardless of random experiences by different people we have three people from the team that program the game and help find and solve bugs that for THIS game at least there is a better choice. I'm not getting into the "less calories!" "tastes great!" shouting match but I thought the OP might like the perspective of the makers of the game they want to purchase their PCs to play.

 

[Stranded_Napkin]

@Stranded_Napkin, with the introduction of the 9th gen chipset, Intel lost the speed/performance battle. AMD CPU's have been toasting Intel since then, and the 10th gen chip is a complete joke.

You are only partly correct here. If you go by multi-core performance, you are absolutely correct. Games however don't care about how many cores you have. Most only utilize 4. Only a few won't run on dual core cpus. Those were even patched to work on them. Single core performance is still king when discussing games performance. The 9th gen intel chips still edge the Zen 2 in some games. Yes, the 10th gen chips are complete garbage, but that doesn't make AMD automatically ahead of intel. AMD is ahead when it comes to multi-core performance which should push them further ahead in the future. I wouldn't drop money on intel right now, but to imply that they aren't ahead in regards to certain games amounts to blowing smoke, even if it's only by a few frames.

 

[linewalker]

You are only partly correct here. If you go by multi-core performance, you are absolutely correct. Games however don't care about how many cores you have. Most only utilize 4. Only a few won't run on dual core cpus. Those were even patched to work on them. Single core performance is still king when discussing games performance. The 9th gen intel chips still edge the Zen 2 in some games. Yes, the 10th gen chips are complete garbage, but that doesn't make AMD automatically ahead of intel. AMD is ahead when it comes to multi-core performance which should push them further ahead in the future. I wouldn't drop money on intel right now, but to imply that they aren't ahead in regards to certain games amounts to blowing smoke, even if it's only by a few frames.

this pens a little bit different story.

 

[Fox]

You are only partly correct here. If you go by multi-core performance, you are absolutely correct. Games however don't care about how many cores you have. Most only utilize 4. Only a few won't run on dual core cpus. Those were even patched to work on them. Single core performance is still king when discussing games performance. The 9th gen intel chips still edge the Zen 2 in some games. Yes, the 10th gen chips are complete garbage, but that doesn't make AMD automatically ahead of intel. AMD is ahead when it comes to multi-core performance which should push them further ahead in the future. I wouldn't drop money on intel right now, but to imply that they aren't ahead in regards to certain games amounts to blowing smoke, even if it's only by a few frames.

Edit: nvm, the 9700k is better for per core performance.

I still wouldn't buy one though... for many reasons. Gaming isn't the only thing most ppl do with computers.

Also, you do need to factor that a lot of games favor one brand over the other regardless of actual performance of the CPU.

 

[SylenThunder]

I've been buying Intel for the past 20 years because I run a lot of apps, and need a CPU that will keep up with the workload. AMD has never been able to keep up with what I'm doing. I've always used car comparisons, and AMD is like a Corvette, and Intel is like a Magnum. Sure the Corvette is a lil faster, but the Magnum will carry more than 2 people, and their luggage as well.

With that said, my next major build is going to be AMD. In the past two years, they have outclassed Intel by a fair margin. Intel is going to take a while to catch up.

 

[mr.devolver]

To bring this argument back to topic I asked the developers, "Is there a clear winner between AMD and NVIDIA when it comes to running this game and this game alone?"
Responses so far...

Schwanz9000 (QA team)

Madmole (developer)

faatal (developer)

Regardless of random experiences by different people we have three people from the team that program the game and help find and solve bugs that for THIS game at least there is a better choice. I'm not getting into the "less calories!" "tastes great!" shouting match but I thought the OP might like the perspective of the makers of the game they want to purchase their PCs to play.

Well, in a perfect world this GPU brands war shouldn't even exist, well not in this shape and form anyway. The problem here is that assuming that we take any random game and test two models of GPU of the same performance level, but each GPU is of a different brand, that game should roughly run about the same on both with very small difference - we still have to consider various performance of other components as well, but the GPU itself should not be a bottleneck in that performance range regardless of the brand. If the performance gaps are too big, then something is wrong with the optimization of the game itself.

 

[Roland]

Well, in a perfect world this GPU brands war shouldn't even exist, well not in this shape and form anyway. The problem here is that assuming that we take any random game and test two models of GPU of the same performance level, but each GPU is of a different brand, that game should roughly run about the same on both with very small difference - we still have to consider various performance of other components as well, but the GPU itself should not be a bottleneck in that performance range regardless of the brand. If the performance gaps are too big, then something is wrong with the optimization of the game itself.

Well I'm sure there is still something incomplete with the optimization of the game itself. No question. Regardless of where the issue lies, the cold hard fact is that NVIDIA cards seem to do better on average with THIS game and its idiosyncrasies than the AMD cards. AMD would probably steal the show if it was another game on the docket. But the OP stated they are getting computers to primarily play this game and I think for this game NVIDIA probably is the safe bet.

Like I said the overall question of which is better is beyond the scope of the OP's question to us given that they said they would both be playing this game primarily and this game was the reason for the PC purchase.

Going the opposite direction if someone asked me which console they should buy to play the console version of 7 Days to Die and being able to play the console version was the whole reason for purchasing a console I would recommend the PS4 immediately because it seemed to have fewer problems than the Xbox version. This would have nothing to do with whether one console overall was better than another.

 

[mr.devolver]

Well I'm sure there is still something incomplete with the optimization of the game itself. No question. Regardless of where the issue lies, the cold hard fact is that NVIDIA cards seem to do better on average with THIS game and its idiosyncrasies than the AMD cards. AMD would probably steal the show if it was another game on the docket. But the OP stated they are getting computers to primarily play this game and I think for this game NVIDIA probably is the safe bet.
Like I said the overall question of which is better is beyond the scope of the OP's question to us given that they said they would both be playing this game primarily and this game was the reason for the PC purchase.

Going the opposite direction if someone asked me which console they should buy to play the console version of 7 Days to Die and being able to play the console version was the whole reason for purchasing a console I would recommend the PS4 immediately because it seemed to have fewer problems than the Xbox version. This would have nothing to do with whether one console overall was better than another.

If someone asked me which console to buy to play 7 Days to Die, I would say PC, period.

 

[pApA^LeGBa]

And what are the developers gonna do about the nvidia favor? We need a strong oppossing company so nvidia can´t dictate the prices how ever they want. Competition in the industry is always good for the customer. No matter wich brand you prefer, everyone wins when there is competition.

 

[bobrpggamer]

Hey everyone so i have decided to jump on the pc wagon and finally get it. My wife and i are die hard 7 days to die fans for years on console and we are both going to get pcs to get going. This is really the only game that we will be getting and playing for the most part. I know there are a lot of people on here with pc knowledge to be able to steer us in the right direction. We really have no idea how to build one so we are most likely going to go in to a local store/online and purchase our setups. From what i have found im looking to around just for the tower plug and play im guessing both computers to run on good graphics (we are not really needing ultra settings im guessing?) I estimate roughly 3-5k for both? If you guys could post sites/links to what would be a good idea that would be amazing. Like i said we are not looking to play more than 7 days to die and like games. Thank you so much in advance have a great day!

I have to say it even though I did not read the entire post, but please do not be intimidated about building a PC, it is really easy, even for me and I'm an idiot.

My lat build was (11-2019)

Gigabyte Z930 AOURUS Pro-CF

Intel i7 9700K @3.6Ghz

32GB DDR4 3000

2 512GB Samsung 970 Evo M.2 SSDs

I swapped my graphic card on the older PC so i did not need to buy one

GTX 1080

I have very good performance with 7 days to die A18 on all high settings with solid 60FPS with vsync on. I would highly suggest this setup, although with maybe a better GPU if possible.

The CPU runs cool with a Noctua NH-U12S 120x120x25mm with 2 120mm fans at 2400 RPM, I get about 25c idle and tops out at something like 50c max.

Seriously do not waste your money, at least try and build a PC and if all else fails just send back the parts and then get a pre-built system.

Sorry for not reading the entire post, but I am into building PCs, so it always gets me when I hear about Alienware or similar gaming systems.

 

[meganoth]

And what are the developers gonna do about the nvidia favor? We need a strong oppossing company so nvidia can´t dictate the prices how ever they want. Competition in the industry is always good for the customer. No matter wich brand you prefer, everyone wins when there is competition.

Agreed. There is the unfortunate tendency of a dominat market position to support itself. In the case of 7D2D I remember a post from Fataal where he said that changing graphical parameters to make AMD work better did make the game on NVIDIA work worse and vice versa. And considering nvidia graphics cards are by far the majority you can guess which setting is normally kept.

So even if an issues is actually the fault of nvidia's software it still might be seen as a problem of the AMD software!

For the OP the situation is clear: If they want less issues in the short term, they surely are better served with nvidia. Note they didn't even ask about that but most novice PC users don't like to have issues where they have to play around with settings or ask around.

Long term the issues should not be a concern, they should have been fixed eventually. Anyone who isn't too picky about having some issues with the game should think about if he wants to support a dominant market position that hurts him in the long run.