Unamelable
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PC More things I don't like about the game. (Explanation)
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BFT2020
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Steam workshop is not required to mod the game, we have a vigorous modding community already. Not only are players creating mods for themselves and others, they are helping them to install them properly and track down issues they may see. Again, all of this without Steam Workshop.
TFP incorporated modding for the game at the beginning. That was one of their must-haves for 7 Days to Die. Steam Workshop is just one of many tools to incorporate modding into one's game, and is not a requirement. I checked my game library today and a lot of games I have modded in the past do not have Steam Workshop support at all - those games are final games out of development.
I think you need to dial down the drama there a bit - personal insult? Come'on. Are you serious? Do you believe that the developers are sitting around in meetings while developing this game, and saying - Hey let's leave Steam Workshop support until the very end so we can @%$# off players like Unamelabel and disrespect our community. Or maybe they look at all the work ahead of them and whose assigned to what - and make choices like - lets get these development goals done first and then tackle the nice to haves later?
A game that the developers made easy to mod while still under development is the exact opposite of disrespecting their community.
Roland
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Unfortunately for you, your priorities are different than the dev’s priorities—clearly.
It’s too bad you feel the need to mix in so many insults and unnecessary jabs with your suggestions and criticism. You say you want the people to whom this all is directed to listen to you but then do everything in your power to turn their attitude against you. So much effort immediately nullified by so much rudeness. I guess you aren’t really serious about actually wanting any of the changes you say you want based on the strategy you’ve chosen for delivery….
It’s too bad you feel the need to mix in so many insults and unnecessary jabs with your suggestions and criticism. You say you want the people to whom this all is directed to listen to you but then do everything in your power to turn their attitude against you. So much effort immediately nullified by so much rudeness. I guess you aren’t really serious about actually wanting any of the changes you say you want based on the strategy you’ve chosen for delivery….
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What is clear is that 7 Days to Die holds its own in comparison to these other games in terms of ongoing popularity and number of people playing them. Sorry, I couldn't get the original The Forest. All that would come up is its sequel. Your entire premise is that compared to these other games 7 Days to Die has a mix of features and lack of polish that makes it unplayable compared to these other works. And yet.....there are more people playing 7 Days to Die than all of these other games. It can't be quite so unplayable as you make it out to be. Note that I am not arguing that 7 Days to Die is objectively better than these other games because of these comparison charts. I am simply saying that these comparison charts show that for tens of thousands of people 7 Days to Die is every bit as playable and fun as these other examples.
The best news is that it isn't a zero-sum scenario. Gamers can play all of these games if they choose. If you don't care for 7 Days to Die then pick one you enjoy and play it.
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I don't why this guy plays this game. He clearly hates it.
And you know what? That's fine! Not every game is for every player. Can improvements be made? Of course. Every game or software in general can always be improved. What's clear is TFP are doing something right, despite its shortcomings.
And you know what? That's fine! Not every game is for every player. Can improvements be made? Of course. Every game or software in general can always be improved. What's clear is TFP are doing something right, despite its shortcomings.
Roland
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Feel what? A21? You are correct that it is still alpha stage. But the roadmap is dealing with updates that will be post 1.0 and forgive me but you have not "felt" 1.0 as of yet. I look forward to reading 1000 bullet points about how you feel about 1.0 but that won't be for a few weeks yet.
Weather System and Biome Progression: Significant work has already been done and the only reason it won't be in next month's update is because it wasn't quite finished. Hence it will be in the next update. Logic dictates that when a feature is done and ready to be implemented it shall be implemented. The weather and biome progression is closely related to the outfit system which we are getting first in 1.0. The outfits will help us to survive in different biomes and weather conditions which will be coming soon after.
Wardrobe System: Creating a system that allows players to quickly and conveniently switch outfits is more than a simple patch. It will involve a major UI menu of its own. You'd have to be more specific about what major problem of the game should be address before this feature. In all likelihood, however, it is likely to be a different team of programmers who are doing the wardrobe system than the team working on whatever major problem you are thinking of.
Crossplay/Random Gen for Consoles: Why does it matter if this update comes to consoles at the same time the other updates come to both PC and consoles? These features will arrive when they are finished and working well without causing game crashes and corrupted saves. As with all features listed for Q4, siginificant progress has been made and they just need a bit more time to get them done-- hence their inclusion in the first major update.
Additional Zombie Stages: I don't understand your response to this. Why should this not be done in this first update? What do you imagine it even means? I'm not exactly sure myself but what do you know?
Spawn near friend: This probably means that we will be able to set allies and team mates before we spawn into the world so that when we do spawn in we will be able to spawn in together in close proximity. There has been a lot of community feedback asking for this and it sounds like TFP wants to fulfill that community request as soon as they can-- in the first major update.
Twitch Drops: Despite ten years old, the game is still very popular on Twitch and the twitch integration has become a major feature of the game. The twitch event management system is going to become the basis for the events management system in a later update. It makes sense that they finalize the twitch integration feature before they then use it to run the event manager for the game.
Outfit DLC: They are happening. If that is the deal breaker then you might as well leave now.
Bandits: We don't have much information other than that TFP removed the bandits they originally implemented because they didn't want bandits to simply be zombies with guns which is what they were at the time. We will see what they bring to the game. I doubt they will ever be allies in the sense that they would team up with us and live in our base. But there is a reputation system coming so their attitude towards us will probably range from friendly to hostile. More than that we just have to wait. Not you though since you'll be out after the Q4 Outfit DLCs....
UI/ Main Menu: You are happy with the current feature. That 100% puts you on the opposite side of everybody else on every issue...
Event System: We don't have it now simply because it isn't finished. It will be a system based upon the twitch integration programming so it makes sense that they will finish their development of twitch integration first and then do the modding necessary to create the event system.
New Quest Types: Additional quest types are exactly the type of expansionary content that comes after 1.0. 1.0 comes with a basic number of quest types. Later updates will expand that number. Sounds pretty much like any game with basic features that are then expanded by....wait for it....expansions.
Trader Overhaul: This is not the same thing as balancing traders. Traders have already been rebalanced for 1.0 to fix the issues of never needing to craft items that are given in quest rewards and quest loot. The trader overhaul has to do with reputation and their role in the story and possibly fast travel functionality although recently it sounds like they might be abandoning fast travel. As for your other complaints about inventory space and whatnot...that has nothing to do with traders.
Story Mode: You hate RPG elements and story modes. Got it. You ARE going to have to flush this game down the toilet in Q4 2025 because of story mode after getting it out of the dumpster you threw it into in Q4 2024 thanks to the Outfit DLC...lol. Just face the fact that this game isn't your cup of tea.
Steam Workshop: It's their call. The game has a robust modding community regardless of the lack of Steam Workshop support. Even in 2013 when they first kickstarted the game they put Steam Workshop support as the last thing they planned to implement. They've been advertising "Steam Workshop will be done last" for almost 11 years now and you're just now shocked? The owners are modders themselves. They probably never viewed Steam Workshop as a necessity for modding or playing mods.
New Quest Type: They want to trickle out the new quests one at a time. They probably realize that min/max locusts like yourself consume all new content in about four hours and then go right back to demanding moar. So they a spreading some of it out. There are other improvements and changes and new content that they plan to add and spread out across all the posted dates which is in the "and so much more" catchall.
But, man, don't worry about anything after Q4 2024 when those outfits go on sale as DLCs listed on Steam right under the game. That's when you're throwing the game away. riiiiiiiiiight?
riiiiiiiiiight......
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Unamelable
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I don't know why online is given as an example, I didn't say anything about it at all. Because of the specifics of the game and its vanilla stretched progression. Of course there will be a lot of players, because for 1 save you need to spend more than 100 hours. I compared the quality of implementation between them, and so far 7 days to die remains in last place among them all. I'm not on tweets, but to give separate attention to the system for one streaming service is strange. Especially when players who are not interested in Twitch (like me) will not see them anyway except for digging into debug mode messing with buttons.
I don't know why this is, since I've previously described what doesn't work or is missing in the game. If I was a troll people would ignore me and not try to discuss what I write. I may sound toxic, but it's justified by my negative experience that I didn't expect to have.
Again, I wrote that's all I wanted to write on the subject and I won't fan the flames any further as I'm sure a lot of people are fed up with my feedback. That's the most basic thing I wanted to criticize
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This is probably the only time I've ever written so much on one game.
And I have one example where I played Back 4 Blood which I bought at full price. And I enjoyed it because it was a fun game that was ruined by false advertising. It has a lot of problems too. But I played the beta before that and I was happy with it. Left 4 Dead with progression, deck system and weapon modifications? Oh, for God's sake, give me two!
With 7 days to die I have the exact opposite situation where a lot of players are playing, and I am one of them who has a ruined experience with the game because there are a lot of things I am not satisfied with. It's like a 1 in 1000 chance where a game I'm interested in disappoints me so much.
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I'll give PAYDAY 2 as an example. Before that, the game also had a couple of additions that players paid neutral attention to. After 2016, it was just a huge convection, after that freaking safe boxes. Therefore, any paid updates and add-ons should be accepted with great caution. As it can completely ruin the game as the game literally becomes P2W. Although knowing the north of Garry's mod DarkRP, other PVP games with dedicated server it seems to be the normality. But if in the vanilla version of all this is not provided - it is decided only by the creator of the server. The addition of such chips in the vanilla game runs a roller on the entire player base.
Now many vast studios without any pity and conscience, shove microtransactions into the already paid game. They sew a donation store from mobile games into single player projects. And for an astronomical cost do not show all the content (this is me about the latest Star Wars game). And like I have enough of these examples to look askew at a game with its "harmless" outfit DLC. Of course I'll look at it as the beginning of the apocalypse.
And after all, we started with horse armor with oblivion for $2.50....
I personally feel really bad for the concept of PAYDAY 2. Which is also complete garbage when parsed. And there are no other adequate analogs. And I myself as a player who loved PAYDAY: The Heist with all my heart hate what they did to PAYDAY 2. And PAYDAY 3 will probably be the last game of OVERKILL studio.
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I'm gonna be honest, though. If the developers didn't have mod support from the beginning. Even without SWorkshop. The game would have died a long time ago, now that I went through a VERY PAINFUL VANILA I can at least customize the game "for myself" because the game gives me the opportunity to do it without decompiling the game. And blaming the developers for all the balance problems after that is pretty stupid, I agree.
MechanicalLens
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Better not suggest the second to last part. He might just install the Steam game called "Touch Some Grass". (Look it up in your spare time, it's humorous on the surface.
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