Minimum Specs

@Riamus Yes, they do make them.

I get 45 FPS in some situations even 40FPS and you chill there with stable 30FPS on a RX580? My settings are medium to high.

Also people who have a RX580 have a high chance of only having 8GB RAM and usually don´t have the strongest CPU either.

Why is it so hard to accept that this game has to do it like many, many other games on steam? Again, you think every gamer does actually know things about hardware. That´s not the case. If you want everyone to understand what is required, you need model nuimbers. And even then some people will be confused. You can´t make hardware knowledge a requirement for buying games.

It´s common to list models at the HW requirements. If you can´t make general statements like 4GB GPU because there is 4GB GPU´s that can´t run the game, you have to put a model as a baseline, same for the CPU, if you have min specs that already existed 15 years ago you need set a baseline. And everything that is equal or better fits for the game. I doubt that they loose sales if they are honest about the requirements, if that is what they are scared of. How many people actually play on 15 year old hardware?

I tried it with a 10 year old 4GB card, 2 years ago and it was unplayable.
 
pApA^LeGBa said:
@Riamus Yes, they do make them.

I get 45 FPS in some situations even 40FPS and you chill there with stable 30FPS on a RX580? My settings are medium to high.

Also people who have a RX580 have a high chance of only having 8GB RAM and usually don´t have the strongest CPU either.

Why is it so hard to accept that this game has to do it like many, many other games on steam? Again, you think every gamer does actually know things about hardware. That´s not the case. If you want everyone to understand what is required, you need model nuimbers. And even then some people will be confused. You can´t make hardware knowledge a requirement for buying games.

It´s common to list models at the HW requirements. If you can´t make general statements like 4GB GPU because there is 4GB GPU´s that can´t run the game, you have to put a model as a baseline, same for the CPU, if you have min specs that already existed 15 years ago you need set a baseline. And everything that is equal or better fits for the game. I doubt that they loose sales if they are honest about the requirements, if that is what they are scared of. How many people actually play on 15 year old hardware?

I tried it with a 10 year old 4GB card, 2 years ago and it was unplayable.
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I can get 60FPS. I just cap it because it tends to fluctuate between 45-60 on medium to high settings, which looks bad. It ends up looking better at a 30FPS cap that doesn't fluctuate. As far as 8GB RAM, I personally would put 16GB as minimum for this game, though you can play it with 8GB (I used to with this same computer, but added more RAM later since 8GB was really low). And as far as CPU, that's a separate min spec. If the min spec for CPU is set appropriately for how CPU intensive this game is, then someone who has a CPU that matches or is better than that appropriate minimum spec CPU who has a RX580 4GB GPU could play the game. My computer is about 6 1/2 years old and was a low end gaming PC from Walmart. The only changes to it have been increasing RAM and adding an extra SSD. I was playing this game before doing either of those things and that was with 8GB RAM. My only issue with it was when the game was installed on the HDD because that caused certain things to be too slow (clearing unused data every 20 minutes locked the game up for up to a few minutes). When placed on SSD even when still at 8GB RAM, it was easily playable and I STILL didn't have FPS drops from large numbers of enemies.

In any case, you are grabbing only part of what I said. I've said multiple times that they NEED to provide detailed specs. Just because I think having 4GB VRAM for minimum is acceptable doesn't change that I said they need detailed specs. They shouldn't list it as only a 4GB VRAM GPU or an X generation CPU. They should be more specific. A specific minimum model GPU and a specific minimum model CPU. So you are essentially agreeing with what I said. You just think the minimum shouldn't be 4GB. That's the only difference in what you're saying and what I've said.

Out of curiosity, you say you can get 40-45 FPS in certain situations. But since you're saying 4GB isn't good enough, what VRAM are you using? It's interesting that I can get 45-60 on my 4GB GPU if you're getting less and have more VRAM. That would be a good indication that VRAM isn't what's holding you back.
 
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Boys, it was not that long ago I pointed out that the minimum specs indicated that the game should not have been put out on console. What response did I get? not much. just that I was being unreasonable.
 
@Riamus So you really expect people that answer i5 when asked which CPU they have and then answer "What do you mean which one, i already told you it´s a i5" if asked which i5 they have, to be aware of the detailed specs of their GPU? Really? That´s valid for like a third of the gamers. The other two thirds need a model number. I know quite a bit about hardware, but i have no clue about the detailed specs of my card and i have no interest that this is how requirements are listed.

TFP just needs to do what many, many other games do. The standard procedure and not lying about minimum specs, weather it´s on purpose or just an oversight. There shouldn´t be a discussion about this tbh.
 
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pApA^LeGBa said:
@Riamus So you really expect people that answer i5 when asked which CPU they have and then answer "What do you mean which one, i already told you it´s a i5" if asked whichi 5, to be aware of the detailed specs of their GPU? Really? That´s valid for like a third of the gamers. The other two thirds need a model number.

TFP just needs to do what many, many other games do. The standard procedure and not lying about minimum specs, weather it´s on purpose or just an oversight. There shouldn´t be a discussion about this tbh.
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As I said, it's on them. If you are unwilling to verify you have the minimum specs and then it doesn't work, no one is to blame but yourself as long as the minimum specs are accurate (meaning detailed enough to be accurate). I'm sure you could find a budge 8GB GPU that can't handle this game at 60FPS. If you just say 8GB GPU, then people have a legitimate complaint if their budget 8GB GPU can't play the game at 60FPS. If you state the need an RTX 3060 8GB GPU minimum (I just grabbed a random GPU model for an example and don't know how it works in this game) and they have a model that is lower than that, then they don't have a legitimate complaint that they can't get 60FPS. Better to remove the ability to make legitimate complaints about hardware specs. And better to make it clear exactly what will or won't work well with the game. It currently is so vague that no one who doesn't already know what works or doesn't work in the game will have any idea if a specific CPU or GPU is good enough unless they are choosing a top of the line model.

This is why they need to list detailed minimum and recommended specs and not generalized specs that are misleading at best.

But you're right that there's no need for discussion, considering we both agree that the specs need to be fixed.
 
@Riamus Now why does this game deserve special treatment? Why can it not follow what most others do? It starts to sound a lot like white knighting at this point now tbh. It´s absolutly normal to have models listed to be sure people don´t buy the game that don´t have the min specs. I am just asking to keep a standard here.

It´s easy to get confused with detailed hardware specs. For example something easy that most gamers don´t know. You need to know the difference between GDDR6 and GDDR4. What the X in GDDR6X means. And so on.

But it´s really easy to compare your model to the one listed at the min specs. There is a ton of rankings online where you can easily look for your model and how it compares to others without any hardware knowledge other than knowing what parts you have.
 
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