Really the only way we could 'adapt' to reduce our ammo requirement would be to exploit the AI pathing (beyond the simple fact that they come towards us). Meleeing on horde night where we are would probably be death for that person.
No because I worked my ass off to get that ammo. How could that possibly be considered an exploit? Building an infinite maze lined by traps is an exploit, and would cost us next to nothing on horde night.
One of the limitations the game deliberately puts on the player is limited supply of ammo (many shooters do this too by the way). The vanilla game on harder difficulty is simply impossible to survive without traps aka ammo-preserving measures. Again, I'm pretty sure this is intentional.
The way I look at it is that if our base design would work for any alpha that came before (and it would) then we are not specifically exploiting A17 AI. We have no infinite ramps or mazes, things that would only work for A17 AI.
Well, don't know why you would set this self-limitation, but it is unreasonable to want resources balanced around it. It would be like people expecting to have near-infinite stamina so that they can "follow a melee-a-horde-night-in-the-street playstyle" - oh wait...
Because this is a play-style that was fine for every alpha before this one, and a play-style that many enjoy, so why shouldn't we expect to continue doing it? Especially when the alternative is such a bore. It is, for example, so necessary for us to play like this that were it made nonviable by any future change, we would all quit the game immediately. I am sure we are not alone in thinking like this. Using infinite mazes and ramps is just not a game I want anything to do with. I would have zero fun with that. It takes zero effort and is zero challenge.
Everyone's needs will vary of course. I am in a party of 3 and typically play in Insane, so without exploiting the AI, our ammo needs are obviously going to be much higher than yourself or any other typical solo player, for example. Also, when you play co-op and you are not the miner who is supplying the ammo, it is very easy to get lazy and be very very trigger happy. I am constantly berating my friends for shooting when melee would have done, like some old mum.
I didn't say that you should be expected to stop doing it. I said that you shouldn't expect for the rest of the game to be balanced around it.
Right.
*Infinite* mazes and ramps? You mean like the hamster wheel zombie exploit? You don't have to do that or use an actual exploit to defend. This should (and surely will) be fixed at some point. AI is a wip.
You're certainly right that different people will have different needs, and preferred weapon/ammo type, and preferred gaming style, and... etc.. etc..
All previous alphas were balanced round it since there was no "AI exploit" till A17. Our base design has changed very little in all that time.
Not on horde night. The number of concurrent zombies is a different setting than difficulty.
There were AI exploits in previous alphas. Floating bases, 2 deep holes with a lid on top (IF one counts that as a base :smile-new: ), Probably anything on stilts could be counted as more or less an exploit simply because of the fact that they tended not to attack the stilts and instead mostly ran around in circles.
I think you underestimate my computer's ability to generate 7DtD lag at will!
Right so I'm sure we both agree the game lags, and it lags worse the more zombies on screen. Timing is key to all battles whether projecticle or melee. If the game lags, it's more difficult to hit zombies, if they are running, that only makes it far harder.
