PC Landmines - game making or game breaking??
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crazywildfire
Refugee
You wake up as of now as a lone survivor. They are still working on the game and about to add colonies and bandits. The wasteland is where most of the hell broke out hints to why it is the wasteland. I don't remember the explanation but they did have one if you search for it. But regardless what it is you either like it or you don't so if you don't then no explanation is really good enough. The same post and threads was made when they first added them to pc. They pretty much stand by putting them in it and most likely not going to change. Maybe they will give options on console. If they do great I'm all for it but with that said I wouldn't get hopes up.
Outlaw_187
Survivor
I totally agree man. I hated it when they took out the option to pick them up.
I'm on the fence about this as well. On one hand, it is kinda cheap, they blend in so well with the environment & the wasteland is already pretty brutal with packs of dogs, cops, & now always running ferals.
On the other hand, like crazywildfire says, it's meant to be the hardest biome. The mines are just 1 more challenge.
I guess I'd vote to leave it. I'm a pretty high level right now, to the point where nothing phases me.....until I roll into the wasteland. I then suddenly feel super vulnerable & watch my back as well as every step.
Damselx1 has the best idea. Have it as a toggable option. Again, the more options the better is how I feel.
crazywildfire
Refugee
Lol I don't enjoy them but I don't mind them anymore either. It is the hardest biome and as you said you are all leveled up and stuff. So if they didn't have the landmines being the level you are and the equipment you have would the dogs, ferals, and cops really be at all challenging? Let's not forget the last two are only in the city the biome itself only has the dogs. So in the biome itself are dogs really the much of a challenge alone at your level? Now that you brought up the cops and feral, the city is supposed to be the hardest area of the game. So at your level are the cops and feral really much of a challenge? For me they are not, I wouldn't go into either of them with only a bow or a handgun. Maybe this is why I have 0 deaths in 80 days minus the death that I had no choice but to kill myself. Because I know these are the two hardest parts of the map. In the wasteland a handgun is fine in 2 shots you can kill a dog. But the city I don't go in it unless I have a sniper or smg, or AK or at the very least a shotgun. Either of these weapons kill cops and feral pretty easy. So I don't mind the landmines anymore because I got used to them playing pc already and without them those areas wouldn't be much of a challenge at a higher level.
I don't know how much the console will be like the pc but to be honest if it even comes close to pc these landmines are really going to be the least of the worries. If that happens then the console threads will again be a repeat of the conversations and debates that go on in the pc threads lol.
Oh I forgot to put in somewhere in the top part. You said you feel vulnerable again at a high level. I think that was the intended part and if they make you feel that way then I think as cheap as it can be they succeeded. Like I said before at least the landmines don't put big holes in the world. They could of set some other kind of explosions that do like cars and put big holes in the ground after it blows up. Lol
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Outlaw_187
Survivor
Yea at a higher level none of the Z's are a problem at all. Not even dogs are a problem with some firearms at your side.
The mines do throw an interesting twist. I've also never encountered more than 1 feral at a time so in numbers I suppose they might b a problem.
So yea, I'm cool with the mines. Also someone else posted (in another post somewhere) you can drive right over mines & the speed of the minibike combined with lag makes it to where you won't die.....yea I tried this & it didn't work for me, lol. I had level 600 engine, tires, & battery. My chassis was somewhere in the upper 300's, not sure bout the seat & handlebars but I'm guessing those wouldn't really matter too much.
Anybody else try this?
The mines do throw an interesting twist. I've also never encountered more than 1 feral at a time so in numbers I suppose they might b a problem.
So yea, I'm cool with the mines. Also someone else posted (in another post somewhere) you can drive right over mines & the speed of the minibike combined with lag makes it to where you won't die.....yea I tried this & it didn't work for me, lol. I had level 600 engine, tires, & battery. My chassis was somewhere in the upper 300's, not sure bout the seat & handlebars but I'm guessing those wouldn't really matter too much.
Anybody else try this?
Outlaw_187
Survivor
Yup. Ferals are the streakers. No matter what setting you have it on, they always run so watch out for these â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– s.
I hip fire with my sniper rifle killing ferals. I also made a air filter land mine and a hub cap land mine today. I need to make like a couple thousand more of each. I got a bunch of gas barrels as well. Gonna set them up in the open fields. But I need to mow the lawn and chop some trees down so I can see a better clearing of the surrounding fields. Have some fun sniping Z's. Patch in a lawn mower. hahahah Or just patch them in then add gas or oil and good to go. Then if ya wrench them down ya get the mower blade for a melee weapon.
Rashnudamz
Refugee
I try to avoid those areas as much as possible because of those mines, nothing more annoying than going far away from your base on an exploration mission to be killed by a random mine -_- [happened soooo many times].
In regards to them being inside buildings? I think they should be BUT only in logical ones. Buildings that clearly look like they have defences up, army camps and giant vaults i'ld be ok with. Random Joe's house though? Not so keen personally.
In regards to them being inside buildings? I think they should be BUT only in logical ones. Buildings that clearly look like they have defences up, army camps and giant vaults i'ld be ok with. Random Joe's house though? Not so keen personally.
crazywildfire
Refugee
You never came across 2 of them? Wow I had 3 at once with 2 cops just the other day. I have drove over at least 10 landmines and didn't have a 600 engine and didn't die I was already out of reach by the time it blew up. So it can happen guess you just didn't have any luck lol
I kinda don't wanna say because I don't know for sure. But I do know one of the houses was one of the bandits that he showed. I don't think every house will have landmines in them but probably a few traps in some of them. Wouldn't be surprised if one has it where the floor comes out from under you like they did with some of the new poi in A16 that was added. He did say that they will still have abandoned houses so not all of them will look that way. I'm sure they will have a few that look like the way he showed but I think some of those in know at least one of them are linked to the story they are doing in navezgane. The only thing is on random Gen how many will actually spawn in like the ones he showed vs the less threat/abandoned ones. That would be the question at hand. Not going to say everything but most things they are doing is aiming toward being a part of the story game they are working on. You will have quest you can get from other people in the colonies, you can join a group the ones that fight for good reasons or join the ones that just go in and take what they want. So I say a good bit of what they are doing is aimed toward being part of all that. I think that is where I say at least 75% of the focus is before getting out of alpha. I could be wrong but that is how I'm seeing it.
Rashnudamz
Refugee
If its something like a bandits house, then i would be completely ok with traps/bombs added to it. I like to stream this game so the floor giving way is a good addition in my eyes [i see it as that parts of the buildings are just giving way] and especially since every streamer i know has fallen through the floor of the room that has giant letters reading DANGER [or is it beware?] on the wall lol.
crazywildfire
Refugee
Lol yeah I am not going to say I haven't fallen through those traps on pc cough cough shhhhh lol.
Well I'm sure they will have at least one or so houses that are not bandits that have traps or landmines in them. One or two of the ones we have now have the cooking pot on the counter and if you pick it up boom lol. So I'm sure they will leave a surprise in some of the non bandit ones. But really you get a jump out if it once or twice but then you know what house to be looking for them in. Kinda like the ones with the cooking pot. Then on top of that it will be a good while before console sees that if it will be able to see it. So most will probably see videos before hand and have an idea/know the ones to look a out for. Lol
crazywildfire
Refugee
No that is the burning biome. The wasteland is the one where the ground looks like the big city. Looks all stone with broken up houses cars all over and iron and junk all over the ground.
Rashnudamz
Refugee
and bodies everywhere of any person who tries to travel across it!
Landmines :
- Realistic : in a war zone with such level of destruction, you can expect numerous unexploded bombs, FASCAM, landmines, ...
- Game breaking : as you cannot disarm them, there are more deadly than zombies, so any landmine area should be considered as unplayable for fighting/being pursued by zombies. The playable map is small on consoles, with landmines it is more smaller :/
Just for reminder, a real minefield is a zone you cannot walk nor run, demining is as sluggish as centimeter by centimeter. Incompatible with any external threat such as zombies.
How landmines affect my gameplay : landmines + zombies == too deadly, I turned off zombies.
Suggestion : allow landmines to be disarmed again (implement a specific skill/tools if you want some realism).
- Realistic : in a war zone with such level of destruction, you can expect numerous unexploded bombs, FASCAM, landmines, ...
- Game breaking : as you cannot disarm them, there are more deadly than zombies, so any landmine area should be considered as unplayable for fighting/being pursued by zombies. The playable map is small on consoles, with landmines it is more smaller :/
Just for reminder, a real minefield is a zone you cannot walk nor run, demining is as sluggish as centimeter by centimeter. Incompatible with any external threat such as zombies.
How landmines affect my gameplay : landmines + zombies == too deadly, I turned off zombies.
Suggestion : allow landmines to be disarmed again (implement a specific skill/tools if you want some realism).
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crazywildfire
Refugee
So zombies is realism? Carrying all those items in a backpack is realism? Carrying a engine around in a backpack is realism? Do I need to go on? I do agree that you should be able to wrench them or something. But not for the realism part I throw that out the door when it is a zombie game.
The part about map size being small. If the size of map was on pc I say probably because of the amount of people you can have on the world at once. But on console I feel if the rwg would create a better layout with plenty of towns the map size could be a little smaller for only 4 people on at once. The size it is now you would spend yearsassess on a seed and never run out of material. No way 4 people or less can destroy that much land the way it is.
I'm far from a programmer or anything close to it. But I feel if they leave navezgane map the way it is because of the story they are adding but on rwg if the map sizes was I don't know 1000 blocks less on the far end that you can go and take bedrock from -55 or something like that to just 0 to bedrock. Rework the world generation I think the console might run a little better and still give 4 players more then enough space. But like I said I'm no programmer so I could be wrong.
I think they are good as you have to be more observant in areas with mines, I saw the mine way before mm stepped on it. Landmines are pretty easy to make (i could cook one up with gunpowder and a primer) so it is fairly realistic to have them in the game. The trick is to just be observant and use them to blow zombies up. I have never died to one, but that could be because full 250 wellness and armor means they don't take much off... Scared me to death many times though.
crazywildfire
Refugee
Not at all you brought realism into it. So guess you the type that picks and choose. If you going to go that route to bring realism into it don't pick abd choose what you feel in your own opinion what those should be. If you bring that into it then someone else can bring the other things into it as well. I know you said you agree so I know your noy really saying that you don't. I'm just pointing it out that it isn't off topic if you bring the fact in. You would need a different argument to the fact thst it is game breaking not because of realism unless you want to bring what comes with all that into it. So no not off topic from at least your post you made.