I think this could work if they had a mix of systems. Basically perks wouldn't effect damage, would be much rarer and would basically add effects to things, like adding chance on hit stun to heavy weapons. They'd then have to bring back some of the skills from A16 and have those be learn by doing, and those would affect your damage or what have you.
PC Just Get Rid Of Stamina All Together... <FLAME ON!>
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Royal Deluxe
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Perception XP could raise by
* Disassembling cars
* Looting
* Shooting
Strenght XP could raise by
* Mining
* Melee
* be encumbered
Fortitude XP could raise by
* Take Damage
* Be hit
* Heal
* Eat
* Take no damage over a time
* Dont fall under 50% food over a time
Agility XP could raise by
* Running
* Biking
* Jumping
* Sneaking
Intelligence XP could raise by
* Crafting
* Barter
* Read these Buff notes
* Disassembling cars
* Looting
* Shooting
Strenght XP could raise by
* Mining
* Melee
* be encumbered
Fortitude XP could raise by
* Take Damage
* Be hit
* Heal
* Eat
* Take no damage over a time
* Dont fall under 50% food over a time
Agility XP could raise by
* Running
* Biking
* Jumping
* Sneaking
Intelligence XP could raise by
* Crafting
* Barter
* Read these Buff notes
hotpoon
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From what I've read a lot of people who complain about stamina in this particular Alpha are really complaining about the max stamina that doesn't refill until you eat something. Normal stamina that depletes from activity and then regens when you stop moving is an obvious mechanic that everybody understands, but the max stamina is something new and it's not immediately apparent how it works.
The problems with it are:
A) It isn't obvious why max stamina depletes
In this Alpha it took me a while to figure out why my max stamina kept going down. I didn't realise it was connected to food. It's not obvious. There is no food indicator, so you just see that stamina cap getting smaller and smaller through seemingly no fault of your own. If I was a new player, I might have rage quit from frustration, but I kept going only because of my love for this game.
In A16, it was clear that you lost max stamina because you died. As a result, you would avoid doing really stupid / high risk things in the game so that you could stay alive and not get that penalty, especially if you were hunting that Steam achievement for high wellness. I forget what it was (180?).
B) The max stamina is penalised too much
In this Alpha I haven't noticed exactly how low your your max stamina can go (20 maybe?), but it seemed pretty severe to the point that my character was behaving like a 90 year old with asthma.
In A16 the max stamina only depleted to a minimum of 70 (or was it 75?). It wouldn't go below that. 70 is not great but it's manageable. It doesn't turn your character into an invalid at least.
The problems with it are:
A) It isn't obvious why max stamina depletes
In this Alpha it took me a while to figure out why my max stamina kept going down. I didn't realise it was connected to food. It's not obvious. There is no food indicator, so you just see that stamina cap getting smaller and smaller through seemingly no fault of your own. If I was a new player, I might have rage quit from frustration, but I kept going only because of my love for this game.
In A16, it was clear that you lost max stamina because you died. As a result, you would avoid doing really stupid / high risk things in the game so that you could stay alive and not get that penalty, especially if you were hunting that Steam achievement for high wellness. I forget what it was (180?).
B) The max stamina is penalised too much
In this Alpha I haven't noticed exactly how low your your max stamina can go (20 maybe?), but it seemed pretty severe to the point that my character was behaving like a 90 year old with asthma.
In A16 the max stamina only depleted to a minimum of 70 (or was it 75?). It wouldn't go below that. 70 is not great but it's manageable. It doesn't turn your character into an invalid at least.
I agree with this. I don't mind using stamina on things like mining, but I agree the fun aspect of having stamina at all is the threat of running out of stamina during combat. I wouldn't do away with stamina completely.
Royal Deluxe
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No what i encumber about is a mix of
Out of stamina during you move
Out of stamina during you use a tool
Slowed down to 1% movement speed by encumbrance
Too hot, too cold without anything you can do except moving in a other Biome
In short the gameplay that feels like you play in a world covered with glue
Jackelmyer
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This is exactly why I don't play right now. I can't stand that feeling. It goes right up the back of my neck. I don't need super fast action per say. But I cannot handle games that make me feel like a slug...
I actually couldn't play Battlefield for the same reason. *shrug*. I don't actually play FPS games anymore to my kids dismay. But if I did, I'd go back to Modern Warfare kind of games that actually felt more free in motion.
Dimpy
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You're right. I hadn't even realized.
Just for funsies, an hour ago, I tried starting a new world, 90 minute days, cheats on, and I immedeately used the debug menu to increase the timescale to 2.25x the normal. ♥♥♥♥e... it's a whole different game. First day was already heart-pumping. I might make a longer thread once I play more, and raid a dungeon, but seriously, you need to try it.
Jackelmyer
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Wait what? 90min days is longer right? What effect does the time scale provide?
ghettochild2600
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Katana? I want to make a Michonne character.
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Royal Deluxe
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Timescale make you run, punch, shoot faster. But the zombies too