11,741 as of today! If there are about 22k on pc and 20k on console and I'm sure half of the ppl on console are pc players also That's what almost 1/2 of the people who paid for the game are supporting the petition.
Bash all you want I could careless about it. It's your opinion your intitled to it. So voice it! I'm glad to hear what you fine people have to say about it.
But at least consider looking over the petition support or oppose. It's worth a look at it's not even my petition. But I do support its
Petition page is here (link below)
http://chng.it/sVxnrT2N
I haven't bashed you. I only explained the realities of the situation. I'm glad you feel passionate about activism and grass-roots campaigns such as petitions. I'm sure it feels good having discussions with like-minded people and dreaming about what possibly could happen if your efforts pan out.
I read the petition. I think it accurately states TFP's position in those first two paragraphs. I'll respond to the parts that I think are inaccurate and/or misguided:
1. Reduce the price of current gen 7 days to die from £27.99 to the same as pc £18.99 . the current console version does not match up with a 30 quid purchase. add more info on store pages on exactly what and what it doesn't have ie what stage updates it is closest too! - currently the game is misleading purchasers expecting the full pc experience.
The price setting is not TFP's decision alone. You would also need to petition the Playstation Store/Microsoft Store because they have quite a bit of say in the price and when sales happen etc. The manufacturer gives a suggested retail price but ultimately the retail store decides the price point and at what point stuff goes into the bargain bin. If the game is still selling well then Sony and Microsoft are going to want their percentage from the higher price rather than the lower price and they aren't going to lower their prices. Companies like Nintendo have a huge amount of influence and can dictate to retail locations that if they undervalue Nintendo merchandise they will be cut from distribution. That's why Nintendo games stay at $60 for years. But most manufacturers don't have Nintendo's clout. TFP certainly doesn't.
I agree with the petition's second point here that there is customer confusion and it would be good for some differentiation between the console and PC versions to be explicitly stated.
2. Find a reputable publisher and cut a deal to work on the current game. funpimps have had experience and now could better find a suitable deal just like stranded deep devs did who also were negatively effected by tell tales demise.
The problem with this is that reputable publishers aren't just standing around ready to jump at the bit to take projects. Most already have their line-ups already planned and either in production or about to be. Most console publishers are looking ahead now to the next gen consoles and when pitched the idea "Take this five year old title and fix its bugs and add a couple more updates" vs "How about Valheim!?!?!?!" -- one of those options is going to sound like a sure thing to the marketing execs at that publishing company. Businesses like to strike the iron when it is hot and 7 Days to Die is definitely a bit cooled when compared to the newer titles people are excited to play. Remember that a publisher is going to pay a studio to get up to speed and fix bugs and add new content and then expect a return on that investment. Most publishers are going to choose a new popular game on a new console over an old popular game on an old console every single time. Even if TFP agreed to this demand, there is no guarantee they would even find a willing partner. Even at the time Telltale went out of business the game was not often seen on the new games racks of Gamestop, Target, or Walmart any longer. Newer fare had replaced it.
3. Announce that any future game on next gen, all existing 7 days owners of the game on console will get a free upgrade (as so many games companies are doing using microsoft smart delivery for example) it is not OK to expect console players to purchase a game twice when pc is cheaper and receives all content for free, regardless of current console limitations.
This is something that would certainly be a nice gesture but I disagree completely with the conclusion. The games will be completely different. The petition admits it is so in their first demand. You can't say that the games are different so the price should be dropped on one hand and then say that the PS5 game that will be based on the finished PC game is exactly the same as the PS4 version so owners of the PS4 version should get it for free. When compared to A14, even A19 looks and plays like a full sequel. Add to that fact that the original console game was NEVER going to be the same as the PC version anyway. No, there is zero legitimate entitlement for anyone to get the next game for free. Madden 2021 is closer to Madden 2020 and Madden 2019 etc... and customers who bought earlier Madden games don't get free upgrade passes to the new year's game. When the game comes out on PS5 there will have been at least five years between games, the second game will play differently with new mechanics that are completely changed from the first one, and its on a completely different console. Nintendo isn't giving anyone free upgrade passes for Skyward Sword just because they bought it for Wii and they shouldn't have to buy it again for Switch.
4. To help facilitate this, organise dlc skins pre-order much like the walking dead ones on console, add this as dlc as a way to generate money for any future development, also try and arrange xbox games pass or psn plus with microsoft and sony respectively to generate more money.
Drop in the bucket, man. You think that doing what the petition demands can be financed by skins? Look, if you are honestly willing to pay some money for TFP to upgrade the game, then just spend $40 for the new game. Done deal. You paid and feel good as a philanthropist helping to finance the full 7 Days to Die experience on console and TFP and some unnamed future publishing company goes the only viable route that will be profitable and realistically executable. Let's be honest. By time the game comes out on console you're going to have one of the next gen consoles. That expense is your own to have access to all the new games. When 7 Days is released, you can do your part to help out by purchasing the new game. TFP gets the money you are willing to throw their way for an upgraded 7 Days experience and you get...an upgraded 7 Days experience.
Also, skins of licensed properties like The Walking Dead are very expensive so they are not lucrative. Its one of those marketing things you do to make your own property more appealing but you don't really make a bunch of cash from doing it. Like adding a pool to your backyard.
5. Hire a console specific manager/port team to do the work and save money versus deals with other companies - even if this takes a substantially long time at least show the community on console you are not abandoning them.
Managing the outsourcing porting work to another studio is a field of work in and of itself that Telltale games devoted an entire division of its company to doing that and TFP is not in that line of work. They are busy working on programming PC games. THAT is their line of work. So they'd have to partner with a firm to manage the port team anyway and then we are back to finding a partner that is willing to do that. But again, if you are willing to throw money at TFP for an enhanced play experience and here all 11k+ of you say you are willing to wait a substantial long time-- then whats wrong with buying the new game when it comes out? Isn't the creation of a new game on the next gen consoles an indication that TFP is not abandoning console gamers?
I do not agree in asking for refunds, as majority of players have experienced and enjoyed the console version even with its limited capacity and issues
Well....this is a huge step forward. If 11k+ of you signed your name in agreement to THIS statement then I have hope you'll all come around eventually to accepting the truth about the rest:
1) There are no refunds
2) There will be no new updates.
3) There will be a new game released on next gen consoles based on the full PC version once it is done.
4) Just like any sequel, everyone who wants to play it will have to pay for it-- even PC game owners.
They say the first step is the hardest.
