PC Important Information for Modders and Streamers: Understanding the EULA (let's talk about it)
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They're new ULA is just copy and paste, and a bad attempt at it on just the first page (or second depending on how fast your mousewheel is set to scroll). It says you agree not to copy the game to avoid the "requirement" of it being played from the "included" CD-ROM or DVD-ROM (quoted words are actually from the ULA). That means we are required-- not allowed to, but actually REQUIRED-- to play from the "INCLUDED CD or DVD". I'd love to know when FunPimps stopped distributing their 20-year old Beta CD's.
If you're going to copy-n-paste someone's saved WordPad legal jargon, at least proofread it first.
Probably should have seen this coming since the promise of bandits and a storyline a year ago, as well as the "pre-release software" disclaimer just now being removed well after V1.0 launch.
Not even going to bother pointing out other issue in the ULA, that's TFP's job.
If you're going to copy-n-paste someone's saved WordPad legal jargon, at least proofread it first.
Probably should have seen this coming since the promise of bandits and a storyline a year ago, as well as the "pre-release software" disclaimer just now being removed well after V1.0 launch.
Not even going to bother pointing out other issue in the ULA, that's TFP's job.
𝔸ngel𝕍anℍelsing
Refugee
Hey everyone,
After reading through the full, updated EULA for The Fun Pimps’ games, I wanted to share a clear summary of what’s changed and what it means for our community—especially modders, streamers, and server owners. There are several important points and new restrictions you should know about.
Let’s use this thread to discuss how these changes affect us all—and share any questions or concerns you have!
After reading through the full, updated EULA for The Fun Pimps’ games, I wanted to share a clear summary of what’s changed and what it means for our community—especially modders, streamers, and server owners. There are several important points and new restrictions you should know about.
Key EULA Changes and What They Mean
1. Modding and Monetization- You cannot reverse engineer, decompile, or modify the game without explicit written consent from The Fun Pimps.
- Monetizing videos or streams that use mods or third-party code requiring payment or revenue sharing (like Twitch extensions that take Bits for mod features) is not allowed.
- You are allowed to monetize videos or streams of unmodified gameplay if you own or received the game legitimately.
- Server owners are allowed to accept donations from players who own the game.
- However, you cannot charge real money or in-game currency with real-world value for access or in-game items.
- Priority access can be offered to donors, but not in exchange for money or valuable in-game currency.
- By playing, you consent to the use of Easy Anti-Cheat, which collects and shares data on cheating methods and player behavior to prevent cheating.
- The warranty is limited and may not apply in all jurisdictions. If you violate the agreement or it is terminated, you must destroy all copies of the software and related materials.
- You agree to defend and indemnify The Fun Pimps against damages from breaches of the agreement.
- The agreement is governed by Texas law, with disputes handled in Collin County, Texas.
- The EULA includes guidelines for respectful, inclusive, and fair play. Violations can result in loss of access to the game.
Final Thoughts
This EULA is much stricter and more specific, especially around monetized mods, streaming, and server donations. If you’re a modder, streamer, or server owner, make sure you’re in compliance to avoid losing access or facing legal issues.Let’s use this thread to discuss how these changes affect us all—and share any questions or concerns you have!
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theFlu
Hunter
Not new, there's been some discussions about it.. for example:
Am I the only one that feels like this is just what Adobe and Skyrim did?
Not only can you not make any money (that is fine), but they claim ownership over everything you create and can use it without permission...
And they even implemented "I waive away my right" section...
I am relatively certain that this is against EU law. You can not sign anything that takes away your rights, as far as I know.
Maybe there are better law experts here who can explain it to me.
But it seems very VERY much like those shady ToS of recent times.
The consensus seems to be "nobody really cares".
Am I the only one that feels like this is just what Adobe and Skyrim did?
Not only can you not make any money (that is fine), but they claim ownership over everything you create and can use it without permission...
And they even implemented "I waive away my right" section...
I am relatively certain that this is against EU law. You can not sign anything that takes away your rights, as far as I know.
Maybe there are better law experts here who can explain it to me.
But it seems very VERY much like those shady ToS of recent times.
The consensus seems to be "nobody really cares".
𝔸ngel𝕍anℍelsing
Refugee
Wow, I was really surprised when the new EULA popped up—I honestly don’t remember seeing it before (maybe my memory’s just fuzzy), but this time I actually read through it. There’s a lot in there that could really impact modders, streamers, and even server owners. That’s why I thought it would be good to start a discussion here and see what everyone else thinks.
Has anyone else noticed these stricter terms? How do you think they’ll affect the community, especially with the new rules around mods, streaming, and server donations? I’m curious to hear your thoughts and experiences!
Has anyone else noticed these stricter terms? How do you think they’ll affect the community, especially with the new rules around mods, streaming, and server donations? I’m curious to hear your thoughts and experiences!
theFlu
Hunter
Where's this "7daystodie reporting system" that I'm supposed to FOLLOW? What does "follow" entail, do I need to get daily updates from my corporate overlords about the latest sad infringing users?
Was that question already a violation by "belittling" someone somewhere?
Should I now report myself, or would that be considered "false reporting"?
And is it enough for me to post here publicly "play fair guys!", or do I need to make that a daily new thread?
Was that question already a violation by "belittling" someone somewhere?
Should I now report myself, or would that be considered "false reporting"?
And is it enough for me to post here publicly "play fair guys!", or do I need to make that a daily new thread?
𝔸ngel𝕍anℍelsing
Refugee
until they get called on it then they will care. I am personally not a modder, but I did want to start streaming, it looks fun and a way to make a little money over my disability. so I want to make sure its worth it.
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I am just going by what it says, I fed the whole thing into my AI and had it compare it to the previous one
theFlu
Hunter
It's not. Not because of any EULA, but because 99.99% of streamers of any game make exactly zero dollars.
There's no viable path to reliable success in that front, you can't predict making a dime.
So, if you plan to start, make sure you're starting it as a hobby..
𝔸ngel𝕍anℍelsing
Refugee
Haha, yeah, better set an alarm to check the “reporting system” every morning—wouldn’t want to miss the latest infractions report from HQ! I think as long as we’re not forming a neighborhood watch for pixel crimes, we’re safe. If you see me posting “play fair guys!” daily, just know I’m doing my part for the EULA overlords.
NoMan
Refugee
The impact will be zero unless you try to turn this into something that it is not, which is likely the actual purpose of this thread.
The EULA is typical CYA language, where they lay claim to more ground than they need or even want, just to be safe.
TFP should know better than anyone how critical modding has been to the success of this game. They would be foolish to impinge on that ability in any way.
AI=Artificial Intelligence? Agitating Instigator? Actual Idiot? The world may never know.
The EULA is typical CYA language, where they lay claim to more ground than they need or even want, just to be safe.
TFP should know better than anyone how critical modding has been to the success of this game. They would be foolish to impinge on that ability in any way.
AI=Artificial Intelligence? Agitating Instigator? Actual Idiot? The world may never know.
Of course.
𝔸ngel𝕍anℍelsing
Refugee
Definitely a hobby for me! I’m a disabled vet living in the Philippines, so I’m not expecting to get rich off streaming—but if I can earn a little extra here and there, it really helps. Plus, it’s a fun way to connect with people and stay involved in the community.
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Totally get where you’re coming from—most EULAs are definitely written to cover all the bases, just in case. I agree that modding has been a huge part of what’s made 7 Days to Die so successful, and I’d be surprised if TFP actually tried to shut it down in practice. I think most of us are just hoping for some clarity, especially with all the recent changes and DMCA stuff popping up. As long as things stay hobby-level and non-commercial, I doubt much will change for the average player or modder.
Grandpa Minion
Scavenger
that is absolutely incorrect,
tell that to all the coders and modders who left because of it.
Right now server owners and players are struggling to get mods updated because the modder is no where to be found and alot of the past mods that have existed in the past will not be getting updated because of it.
Any dll mod that existed prior to 2.0 has to be updated and if no one is there to update the mods than guess what?
theFlu
Hunter
Who should I tell?
Sure, the disinterested mood in the thread I linked is After an applied survivorship bias, but the guys who are gone aren't contributing.
Can you estimate the proportions between people who abandoned their project because of EULA or for other reasons (like loss of interest).
Grandpa Minion
Scavenger
I am not a coder or modder, so I cannot ascertain how modders and coders would feel about it. Many of them are no longer available for me to ask.
The reverse engineering section of the EULA is quite troubling, as I believe it implies that another modder cannot make previous mods functional?
what ever the case the ripple effect of the eula imo is greater than what an average joe might think about it.
IDK who or what person to tell reguarding the eula but i do think it is going have a negative impact on the modding community.
zztong
Hunter
Yeh, if you consider only the EULA, then I can see the hesitance and how AI comes to that summary. But I think there's more to it legally. That EULA hasn't been tested. If it were ever to be litigated I think there would be other factors involved. TFP's behaviors I think make that EULA vulnerable, but I'm not a lawyer and I could be living in fantasy land on this point.
For instance, they distribute the Harmony patching system, empowering code modifications. Modders have been creating code mods for years and have needed to reverse engineer the game's code to be able to do that. It also isn't hard to reverse engineer the game's code. Existing tools will show you everything down to variable names. It's not like the modders are having to reverse everything based on machine language and memory addresses. Would that legally take the teeth out of the "no reverse engineering" clause?
What I mean is if you wanted to protect the game from reverse engineering you should maybe take steps beyond leaving it to the honor system. Leaving your house unlocked doesn't mean people can steal. But creating an environment where the public is regularly invited in and tolerating theft creates confusion when you suddenly want to prosecute somebody for theft.
But then there are practical matters. There's an expense to bringing a suit against you. TFP is going to have legal costs. In the USA, everyone pays their own legal costs (with some exceptions), so they're going to lose money suing you. But more likely the result is you get a nice and friendly email explaining what they don't like and it costs you nothing to stop. If you tell them to pound salt, then you get a formal "cease and desist" letter. Again, you likely won't resist because of the legal costs that you would face. Now if Warren Buffet ever gets into modding, runs afoul of TFP, and cares enough to litigate (instead of just buying TFP) ... well THEN things get interesting as we'll finally know.
You have to read it with the right emphasis to make sense.
IMO it means that you are not allowed to download the game from a CD-ROM
1) if you do this for the purpose of trying to circumvent some security measure that needs the game to start from the CD-Rom and
2) if you bought the game on a CD-Rom.
It is one paragraph in a list of things you are not allowed to do. There could also be a paragraph to not put it into your microwave, which similarily wouldn't mean you would have to buy a microwave first just to comply with that provision.
Is there any 7d2d still distributed on CD or DVD? I don't know, but I would assume that paragraph has been there for a long time already and there is no disadvantage keeping it in as long as CDs and DVDs exist.
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