PC Im literally getting a pc just for this game lol! (specs advice)
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ColdSteelRain
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I don't disagree with your general sentiment, and being able to exploit this vulnerability seems to require root access anyway, but the money isn't in bricking someone's PC, it's in being able to run it as part of a bot net that you rent out, or use for crypto mining. Or to threaten to brick in a ransomware scheme. Or for blackmail if they were able to find some embarrassing pictures or get lucky with taking over the webcam. Or to scrape your banking id and password.
I'd feel a lot better if the threat was only bricking the PC like the good old days.
mdf25
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I'm running an older system and get great performance out of 7 Days, even with some of the heavy stuff like the Starvation mod. Of course, I get stutters and the like now and again but when you're looking for a PC for 7 Days you gotta remember that this game is nowhere near optimised, so even a beast system may have some issues still.
All my stuff apart from case, cooling and PSU:
- ASUS Maximus VII Hero Mobo
- Intel Core i7 4790k @ 4.6 GHz
- EVGA GeForce GTX 970
- Kingston HyperX Fury Black DDR3 16GB @ 1866 MHz
- Samsung EVO 250 GB SSD (main OS and games drive)
- Seagate Barracuda HDD 1TB @ 7200 RPM (for recorded stuff and rendered stuff)
For normal 7 Days vanilla gameplay I get well above 60 on high settings, usually around 90-100. I turn off reflected shadows as that did cause a bit of a dip in performance especially after I built up my base a bit near the water. Horde nights I tend to do well with at 32 max alive as well, it dips to about 30-40 but still very much playable.
I will be buying a new system soon but it will be more for rendering rather than getting better performance out of 7 Days (though I still plan to play and record 7 days on my new system). Don't overlook older gear, as it can perform really well with good setup so maybe look at that if you're looking to get a good rig for less.
For your processor and RAM, you have the right idea. Ryzen 5 and 16GB in 2x8 config so you can expand later. 7 Days does fine with 16GB and even Starvation will run with that, for comparison of heavy mods if that takes your fancy.
For GPU later on - if you don't plan to game in 4K, no need to go above a 1060 IMO. The 1070 is a little better, but price to performance ratio is worse on a 1070 so if you're looking for bang for buck, 1060 all the way. The 1080/1080Ti will be overkill and expensive as hell as well.
All my stuff apart from case, cooling and PSU:
- ASUS Maximus VII Hero Mobo
- Intel Core i7 4790k @ 4.6 GHz
- EVGA GeForce GTX 970
- Kingston HyperX Fury Black DDR3 16GB @ 1866 MHz
- Samsung EVO 250 GB SSD (main OS and games drive)
- Seagate Barracuda HDD 1TB @ 7200 RPM (for recorded stuff and rendered stuff)
For normal 7 Days vanilla gameplay I get well above 60 on high settings, usually around 90-100. I turn off reflected shadows as that did cause a bit of a dip in performance especially after I built up my base a bit near the water. Horde nights I tend to do well with at 32 max alive as well, it dips to about 30-40 but still very much playable.
I will be buying a new system soon but it will be more for rendering rather than getting better performance out of 7 Days (though I still plan to play and record 7 days on my new system). Don't overlook older gear, as it can perform really well with good setup so maybe look at that if you're looking to get a good rig for less.
For your processor and RAM, you have the right idea. Ryzen 5 and 16GB in 2x8 config so you can expand later. 7 Days does fine with 16GB and even Starvation will run with that, for comparison of heavy mods if that takes your fancy.
For GPU later on - if you don't plan to game in 4K, no need to go above a 1060 IMO. The 1070 is a little better, but price to performance ratio is worse on a 1070 so if you're looking for bang for buck, 1060 all the way. The 1080/1080Ti will be overkill and expensive as hell as well.
Menace312
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Lots of good advice here... Not really a lot I can add...
One thing though: Don't get Win7! You should deff upgrade to win10.
Yeah yeah I know... It's not as stable, and this and that annoys you, but Win7 is on its way out, so your gonna have to upgrade eventually anyway... Might aswell get used to it now...
OP tip:
Dualboot your favorit Linux OS and Win10.
This way you have a great operating system for all your computer needs!
And the crappy, bloted and slow one for your gaming...
One thing though: Don't get Win7! You should deff upgrade to win10.
Yeah yeah I know... It's not as stable, and this and that annoys you, but Win7 is on its way out, so your gonna have to upgrade eventually anyway... Might aswell get used to it now...
OP tip:
Dualboot your favorit Linux OS and Win10.
This way you have a great operating system for all your computer needs!
And the crappy, bloted and slow one for your gaming...
SylenThunder
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SSD is going to contain your OS, and your local save folder for the game. RWG maps could take up as much as 30GB of space. That's half your SSD. You can get a 120GB for $60, and a 250GB for $75. I personally would not go below the 250GB, but have been able to do builds with the 120. (Plus, the 250GB model has 3D NAND which will both make it faster, and last longer.)
Also it should be noted that the GPU needs to have more than 2GB RAM. That's a standard that is outdated by several years. If you're going to go with an older card like the 960, at least get the 4GB model.
Also it should be noted that the GPU needs to have more than 2GB RAM. That's a standard that is outdated by several years. If you're going to go with an older card like the 960, at least get the 4GB model.
Yes. But 99% of the attacks out there are social hacking stuff, i.e. getting people to open and execute attachements from spam mails or executing programs from websites. Most viruses will use their access to the user account to do fun stuff, only a subset will even try to get admin/root access.
And those who will try to get admin access and succeed already have admin access, it can't get much worse.
As far as anyone knows at the moment, these vulnerabilities are only usable if you *already* have admin/root access. The only *additional* thing possible with themmight be that the hacker could be able to make the virus survive a reinstall of the BS. But IMHO to do that an attacker probably would need special versions for different hardware so only government level hackers would likely have the money, expertise and drive to do that as machines with a vulnerable Ryzen in them will always be vastly outnumbered by intel machines in the forseeable future.
Also the newest info right now is that some of the vulnerabilities are located in the asmedia usb controllers which are also on lots of intel motherboards, so it could possibly be an intel vulnerability as well. It even might be a deliberate backdoor installed by the taiwan company asmedia, but we will see.
The company who released the vulnerabilities also made everything to hype up the leak. They didn't give AMD any time to examine the vulnerabilities (as was done with Spectre and Meltdown for example), they also seem to have given the info to a company that specializes in stock market manipulation. There is a smell here.
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Granted, there are a lot of big titles that still don't support Linux (I'm looking at you Bethesda!). 
Untamed_Wolf
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DS4windows is the program ColdSteelRain is talking about.
Once you install the drivers, you don't even need to have it running. Steam recognizes PS4 controllers, and so does this game. I just go into Manage game -> controller options and set 'Use Steam configuration for non-steam controllers' to off. ( I have it set globally to be on.) and all the button icons will correspond to the PS4 controller. If you don't set it to off, it will still work, it just shows xbox controller button icons instead.
The controls end up being exactly same as the console version.
Also, if you don't start the game when Steam is in big picture mode, the onscreen keyboard won't pop up. That's not really a huge deal since you can still use the mouse and keyboard while you're using the controller if you don't like steam big picture.
I've found that you need to hold down the O button to get to the secondary menu items like setting advanced rotation when you're holding a block like a ramp, or the paint brush options when you're holding the paint brush.
Well, gamers are not the world. Except for gaming and CAD practically everyone would be fine with onbard graphics, especially office PCs.
And even casual level gaming or gaming with mostly indie games will have no problems with a good onboard graphics unit.
SylenThunder
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But in the same note, AMD on-board graphics are a far dry from a dedicated GPU.
Cadamier
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I poked around your original build and wondered why you didn't go for the Ryzen 5 6 core... I just realized there was a price point at about $750 but that was an incomplete system.
With posted system that's at least $611.91 not including price for ram or GPU...
I'd suggest going to PCPartsPicker.com and look over the completed builds. Many are decent but some are outdated and the price points may not match because of one reason or another. Another thing with PCPartsPicker.com is that they'll post what their system sees as the price... Sometimes its wrong, but again that system chooses the lowest price so you'd be going here and there and almost everywhere but they don't and probably can't include shipping!
The best I can do with a limited time is:
Ryzen 5 1600
ASUS Prime B350-PLUS ATX
G.Skill - Aegis 16G DDR4-2133
SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB
Seagate - Constellation ES ST1000NM0011 1TB 7200 RPM
MSI GeForce GTX 1050 Ti DirectX 12 GTX 1050 Ti AERO ITX 4G OC 4GB 128-Bit GDDR5
EVGA 450 BT 100-BT-0450-K1 450W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Non-Modular Active PFC
PCPartsPicker.com says 806.04 I'm sure that doesn't include shipping.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MZ24Cb
All at NewEgg.com says $855.16 and again I'm sure without shipping...
With posted system that's at least $611.91 not including price for ram or GPU...
I'd suggest going to PCPartsPicker.com and look over the completed builds. Many are decent but some are outdated and the price points may not match because of one reason or another. Another thing with PCPartsPicker.com is that they'll post what their system sees as the price... Sometimes its wrong, but again that system chooses the lowest price so you'd be going here and there and almost everywhere but they don't and probably can't include shipping!
The best I can do with a limited time is:
Ryzen 5 1600
ASUS Prime B350-PLUS ATX
G.Skill - Aegis 16G DDR4-2133
SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB
Seagate - Constellation ES ST1000NM0011 1TB 7200 RPM
MSI GeForce GTX 1050 Ti DirectX 12 GTX 1050 Ti AERO ITX 4G OC 4GB 128-Bit GDDR5
EVGA 450 BT 100-BT-0450-K1 450W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Non-Modular Active PFC
PCPartsPicker.com says 806.04 I'm sure that doesn't include shipping.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MZ24Cb
All at NewEgg.com says $855.16 and again I'm sure without shipping...
Fox
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Exactly, same here. Only the sheep care about constant updates.
Who cares about Windows updates. As for program support, again, that's a matter of demand. You can't just end support for an OS alienating half your customers, that's just bad business.
You know, I hear this nonsense all the time with every new version of OS that comes out. It's annoying and always wrong. As long as there's driver support for an OS, then you're never forced into anything ever. My landlord still uses Windows XP on his music studio PC and has no issues with it at all. The only reason I can't use Windows XP anymore is because of the lack of stability in the X64 version and driver support, otherwise, I'd still be trying to figure out a way to make it work on some of my computers. But we don't have that problem anymore.
Just the fact that the statistics show that Windows 7 is still used as much as Windows 10 makes it pretty obvious on what ppl think of Windows 10 and how they'll force continued support for 7. http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-vs-windows-7-has-microsofts-newest-os-just-reached-a-turning-point/
Good build, aside from the PSU wattage being a little on the low side (I'm sure it would work fine... but the amount of constant stress on that PSU might kill it in just a few years), I usually recommend a minimum of 650 watts in any PSU, especially if it's only a Bronze level. Also, Ryzen is highly dependent on Ram performance, so 2133MHz ram would definitely hinder Ryzen's performance a bit. I'm not sure I would have recommended that ram. But aside from those 2 things, looks good.
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Cadamier
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Weird it said ColdGate lol
Yeah - Windows 7 is still good for many things and its definitely NOT necessary to upgrade unless you have no choice.
AHH! Didn't know that about the speed, since there seemed to be a limit at around $750 - I tried to keep it close as possible, but did go over. I kept "EVGA" since thats what he wanted for the PSU... Personally I trust Thermaltake PSU's on a personal and professional level. On a personal level for quite sometime and 'we've' never ever had any issues with them. Construction and components look very good. Also on a professional level since I work at a museum and we have systems (some of them with Thermaltake PSU's) running at least 10 hours a day, 7 days a week and 362 days a year since we're only closed 3 days of the year. One system has been running for about 2-3 years. Yes! 650W!! Especiallly for further expansion such as SLI, but with PartsPicker saying it only took 251 Watts as is - adding 150 Watts for another card (hopefully not more) keeps it 20% below its rated wattage; which should be good for sometime.
I would have preferred Samsung EVO or PRO SSD's with NAND since we have them in a server rack (8 PC's with them) that's also been running for at least 3 years without any issues.
Maharin
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Why argue with me on this point? I didn't make the rule nor am I the one making the final decision. Check their website and you will see the same information I posted. If the way they handled XP is any indication there will be at most a handful of free updates after that time and any company that wants to continue to use it will have to pay for updates (like some STILL do with XP, believe it or not). It is a far better plan to upgrade or move away from Windows entirely than to stick with Windows 7 after January 2020.
Fox
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Wtf? How is that even possible? That's never happened before.
Now I'm going to have that on my mind for the next few hours... trying to figure it out.
I think there's a miscommunication here. I agree, Microsoft will continue to do whatever they feel like doing because they don't care about their customers at all... never have. What I was referring to is things like gaming support, live streaming support, video editing support, photoshop support, etc... there will always be 100% support for the older OS so long as ppl are still using it. But as far as Windows updates go, I haven't updated mine in at least a year... couldn't care less. It runs extremely stable, has no errors or warnings in event logs at all and that's all that matters to me. As for driver support, well, that's where things could get a little sticky. The Windows 7 user base would need to still be pretty high for them to continue supporting us, which it likely will so long as Windows 10 continues to suck.
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