PC If TFP wanted natural progression might I suggest they bring back "spam crafting"

[Galifrey1965]

Well, that's my advantage. I don't care about the XP from the horde. I get a lot of XP by building and collecting resources. And that's the beauty of the game. You are not committed to playing only one way.

If you watch the videos of Kage848 you have already seen the hatch base in action. He used it in his "No more room in hell series".

That explains a lot. I know that war3zuk is already working on the version for A19. I am curious if he will take over the lot progression or create his own lot table.

I do not like mods in general. They are too gun-heavy for me. Just as if someone wants tear out the Sandbox Survival part from the game and turn it into a Loot Shooter.
 

100% I agree, the beauty of this game is that you don't have to play one way. I play vanilla and war3zuk so both are important to me, usually run side by side games on both types.

I made 9 levels last horde night, that is not to be sniffed at

 Problem is, this whole stone tools thing is a bit ridiculous as it forces you down a certain path. I mean what magically changes that pass'n'gas crates suddenly don't have stone tools (which I am pretty sure they would never ship in sealed crates ever anyway). The loot needs to better fit the poi, even if it is low level, wrenches, repair kits, a battery, a wheel, stuff like that in Pass'n'gas crates, 1 steel tool part in a working stiff crate, stuff that better fits and leave the stone tools to other places like garage storage etc.

That is my real issue with the loot, not the fact it is crap, it's the wrong crap

War3zuk has kept the loot levels and rightly so, just it is stuff that is more appropriate alongside the usual stone crap

My main need right now is to get rid of the lag, that is pushing me to reinstall 18.4 lol

My PC is pretty monstrous and the constant pausing is doing my head in (Ryzen 3900X, RTX 2080 Super, 32gb 3200 drr4, 3gb/s PCI-e gen 4 m.2 NVME). It was buttery smooth last build

 

[SylenThunder]

My PC is pretty monstrous and the constant pausing is doing my head in (Ryzen 3900X, RTX 2080 Super, 32gb 3200 drr4, 3gb/s PCI-e gen 4 m.2 NVME). It was buttery smooth last build

OK, I haven't been on b173 yet, but b172 was butter smooth on mine. Ryzen 3900X, GTX 1060 SSC 6GB, 32GB DDR4 3200, and the 3gb/s PCI-e gen 4 m.2 NVME. The literal only difference between our systems is that you have a newer GPU, and possibly a different motherboard.

I'm downloading all the different builds right now, and will be testing in a bit.

 

[meganoth]

100% I agree, the beauty of this game is that you don't have to play one way. I play vanilla and war3zuk so both are important to me, usually run side by side games on both types.

I made 9 levels last horde night, that is not to be sniffed at

 Problem is, this whole stone tools thing is a bit ridiculous as it forces you down a certain path. I mean what magically changes that pass'n'gas crates suddenly don't have stone tools (which I am pretty sure they would never ship in sealed crates ever anyway). The loot needs to better fit the poi, even if it is low level, wrenches, repair kits, a battery, a wheel, stuff like that in Pass'n'gas crates, 1 steel tool part in a working stiff crate, stuff that better fits and leave the stone tools to other places like garage storage etc.

That is my real issue with the loot, not the fact it is crap, it's the wrong crap

War3zuk has kept the loot levels and rightly so, just it is stuff that is more appropriate alongside the usual stone crap

My main need right now is to get rid of the lag, that is pushing me to reinstall 18.4 lol

My PC is pretty monstrous and the constant pausing is doing my head in (Ryzen 3900X, RTX 2080 Super, 32gb 3200 drr4, 3gb/s PCI-e gen 4 m.2 NVME). It was buttery smooth last build

Naming the stone stuff "crap" and then claiming you are only interested in the realism of what to find in the boxes. Very believable

 

[hotpoon]

Don't we all, man, don't we all...

I see what you did there. haha. I actually cringe a bit at the name I chose. When I joined the forum, my usual gamer tag (Siren) was taken, and I guess I was in a silly mood that day, but it's given a few people a chuckle, so I guess that's ok. 

 

[Galifrey1965]

OK, I haven't been on b173 yet, but b172 was butter smooth on mine. Ryzen 3900X, GTX 1060 SSC 6GB, 32GB DDR4 3200, and the 3gb/s PCI-e gen 4 m.2 NVME. The literal only difference between our systems is that you have a newer GPU, and possibly a different motherboard.

I'm downloading all the different builds right now, and will be testing in a bit.

Can confirm that the pausing is all but gone in 173, good job The Fun Pimps, Good job!

 

[Galifrey1965]

Naming the stone stuff "crap" and then claiming you are only interested in the realism of what to find in the boxes. Very believable

Oh so to you it is highly valuable loot then?

What part of "it's not that it's crap, it is the wrong crap" did you not understand? Let me put it another way then, just blanket sticking stone crap tools in every type of crate bar shamway is just lazy and whoever is allocating needs some imagination. Do tell me in a modern post apocalyptic world who ships stone tools? If you're gonna have a sealed shipping crate full of stone tools, why is it labeled "vehicle parts crate" (Probably why Mods like Darkness Falls and War3zuk are so popular as they don't just rely on starving a player of resources to make a game hard) I am sorry I don't think the game is perfect and that you think my feedback based on over 40 years of video gaming is worthless.... You also need to learn the difference between real (main) issue and only issue (singular).... 

I genuinely would not have any issue with looting a vehicle parts crate and finding one headlight, 1 mechanical part, 1 electrical part, some scrap iron etc even cloth!

I genuinely would have no issue with looting a working stiff tools crate and finding scrap iron, broken tools, brass, lead or other junk that fits the type.

I DO have issues with looting those crates and finding 3 different varieties of stone axe/shovel/spear as 1. Who would order that garbage? 2. why would they order multiple types and levels? The simple fact is that we have an extended "stone age" and boxes full of useless items for scrap because there is no end game and SOMEONE decided that the best way to slow players down was to give them garbage so they were excited if they found a lvl 1 pistol. TFP once said that the inventory size was there to make the player have to make choices of what to take, stone tools are not a choice, you just keep the best and scrap the rest, then scrap it all once you have a viable alternative.

So if you think that is all unbelievable, then I leave you to your thoughts, but my closing statement is this, If TFP want people to be genuinely excited about getting something decent, then they should at least consider putting something decent in some of the crates otherwise you may as well just loot the kitchens and end loot and skip the rest

PS. Whoever did the shotgun messiah crates got those spot on as they almost always contain some sort of gun parts, I really don't think it is too much of a stretch to suggest WST and PNG crates have a similar content to that which they suggest

 

[Xtrakicking]

Oh so to you it is highly valuable loot then?

Snip for space

 

[Bashtiks]

20 hours ago, Galifrey1965 said:

I would rather blow my ears off with a blunderbuss than have to listen to ANYTHING jawoodle puts out, especially as he is all about cheesing the AI which is lame. I always use a converted POI and no cheesing. 

Luckily I can play and power level

And how about stacking frames or as they call it nerdpooling? It isnt cheesing?

 

[Guest]

20 hours ago, Galifrey1965 said:

Luckily I can play and power level

Do you play with days on standard length? You have quite a bit of levels, resources and loot for day 7, at least from what I could glance from your vid. Maybe I just underestimate going for INT straight off the bat and questing your buttocks off, I never really specialize in that tree.

 

[Galifrey1965]

Do you play with days on standard length? You have quite a bit of levels, resources and loot for day 7, at least from what I could glance from your vid. Maybe I just underestimate going for INT straight off the bat and questing your buttocks off, I never really specialize in that tree.

I think on this particular game I was playing 90 minute days, but TBH I usually spec intellect so it makes a little difference. And yes I quest and work my @%$*#! off, even at night  I am very good at choosing the right places and doing the right jobs (he says modestly )

Genuinely LMFAO at that  

And how about stacking frames or as they call it nerdpooling? It isnt cheesing?

Nerdpoling is'nt cheesing...

Tell me, how would you have completed this quest? Spent 3 days building a base around the floodlight?

 

[Guest]

I think on this particular game I was playing 90 minute days

Ah that makes sense. I also think of myself as quite efficient in this game (especially early game, I like dicking around later on), but I usually don't manage that amount of XP/loot until somewhere in week 2. Self esteem still intact 

 

[Bashtiks]

56 minutes ago, Galifrey1965 said:

Nerdpoling is'nt cheesing...

Tell me, how would you have completed this quest? Spent 3 days building a base around the floodlight?

Just wanted to see ur answer

Sry dont have time to watch ur vid,  play as u wish

 

[meganoth]

Oh so to you it is highly valuable loot then?

What part of "it's not that it's crap, it is the wrong crap" did you not understand? Let me put it another way then, just blanket sticking stone crap tools in every type of crate bar shamway is just lazy and whoever is allocating needs some imagination. Do tell me in a modern post apocalyptic world who ships stone tools? If you're gonna have a sealed shipping crate full of stone tools, why is it labeled "vehicle parts crate" (Probably why Mods like Darkness Falls and War3zuk are so popular as they don't just rely on starving a player of resources to make a game hard) I am sorry I don't think the game is perfect and that you think my feedback based on over 40 years of video gaming is worthless.... You also need to learn the difference between real (main) issue and only issue (singular).... 

I genuinely would not have any issue with looting a vehicle parts crate and finding one headlight, 1 mechanical part, 1 electrical part, some scrap iron etc even cloth!

I genuinely would have no issue with looting a working stiff tools crate and finding scrap iron, broken tools, brass, lead or other junk that fits the type.

I DO have issues with looting those crates and finding 3 different varieties of stone axe/shovel/spear as 1. Who would order that garbage? 2. why would they order multiple types and levels? The simple fact is that we have an extended "stone age" and boxes full of useless items for scrap because there is no end game and SOMEONE decided that the best way to slow players down was to give them garbage so they were excited if they found a lvl 1 pistol. TFP once said that the inventory size was there to make the player have to make choices of what to take, stone tools are not a choice, you just keep the best and scrap the rest, then scrap it all once you have a viable alternative.

So if you think that is all unbelievable, then I leave you to your thoughts, but my closing statement is this, If TFP want people to be genuinely excited about getting something decent, then they should at least consider putting something decent in some of the crates otherwise you may as well just loot the kitchens and end loot and skip the rest

PS. Whoever did the shotgun messiah crates got those spot on as they almost always contain some sort of gun parts, I really don't think it is too much of a stretch to suggest WST and PNG crates have a similar content to that which they suggest

Well, in your previous post you said "That is my real issue with the loot, not the fact it is crap, it's the wrong crap". And that is what I didn't believe. We could argue now what "real" issue means for any other issue, but lets just agree that you have a substantial issue with the stone age as well OR with the speed of advancement in the game.

If you played FOR and had a quality 3 AK and found a quality 4 AK with slightly more damage? Would you be happy with that or complain about not finding higher tier stuff? Well, the same step is if you have a q3 blunderbuss and find a q4 one.

I see (apart from the realism aspect) only the minor problem that stone tool scrap is nearly valueless and naturally that there are too few stone age weapons to have variety in the loot boxes.

Also there is nothing wrong if you only loot kitchens at first because the really valuable loot is there in the early game. Lots of people have complained that it doesn't matter anymore where they loot, now you can make an informed decision and loot residential buildings and kitchens first and switch to commericial buildings once the food problem is solved.

 

[Guest]

Dang, ran out of poop emoji's because of all the willful misinterpretation of arguments..

 

[meganoth]

Dang, ran out of poop emoji's because of all the willful misinterpretation of arguments..

It's okay. I count you as having pooped me.

 

[Galifrey1965]

Well, in your previous post you said "That is my real issue with the loot, not the fact it is crap, it's the wrong crap". And that is what I didn't believe. We could argue now what "real" issue means for any other issue, but lets just agree that you have a substantial issue with the stone age as well OR with the speed of advancement in the game.

If you played FOR and had a quality 3 AK and found a quality 4 AK with slightly more damage? Would you be happy with that or complain about not finding higher tier stuff? Well, the same step is if you have a q3 blunderbuss and find a q4 one.

I see (apart from the realism aspect) only the minor problem that stone tool scrap is nearly valueless and naturally that there are too few stone age weapons to have variety in the loot boxes.

Also there is nothing wrong if you only loot kitchens at first because the really valuable loot is there in the early game. Lots of people have complained that it doesn't matter anymore where they loot, now you can make an informed decision and loot residential buildings and kitchens first and switch to commericial buildings once the food problem is solved.

You see this is why YOU shouldn't jump to conclusions. Firstly upgraded stone tools don't do more damage afaik they just have increased durability.

Secondly it is not about progression, you really should actually read what I wrote rather than answering your interpretation of it. However for the sake of cl;arity, maybe watch one of my videos where I am well tooled up, iron tools, lvl 4 AK, etc etc and STILL getting crappy stone tools from pass n gas crates. It's just rubbish, it is poor design and lazy (if they can get it right with shamway and SM crates, why not PNG and WST?). It is not just unrealistic to get stone crap from those 2 suppliers it is wrong, I am sure someone from TFP will actually read this and agree, I know a lot of players do, but hey your opinion is more valid than most and I guess you get moderator status by just agreeing with everything as it is, you probably loved the 2-3 second pauses in the last build as well

Really valuable loot in the kitchen, lmao yeah ok, whatever  glass jars and cans are OP.

I am fine with my progress, I am fine with almost all of the changes, I just find a few of the loot items stupid and exasperating, why is that so hard for you to grasp? Why do you have to say "my opinion is wrong" and give it all the L2P type replies? Again I say watch my channel, you will see I am a LOT better at this game than a good chunk of the youtubers out there without naming names!

And I am sorry you don't believe me but that is your issue to deal with, not mine. END OF SUBJECT!

 

[Demandred1957]

Nostalgia: Remember how good those old tv shows were? Think about an old tv show you liked and haven't seen in 10 years. Watch it again today and suddenly you see the plot holes and short cuts and it really isn't that great anymore.

Airwolf.. Still holds up 30 years later

 

[Solomon]

You see this is why YOU shouldn't jump to conclusions. Firstly upgraded stone tools don't do more damage afaik they just have increased durability.

Secondly it is not about progression, you really should actually read what I wrote rather than answering your interpretation of it. However for the sake of cl;arity, maybe watch one of my videos where I am well tooled up, iron tools, lvl 4 AK, etc etc and STILL getting crappy stone tools from pass n gas crates. It's just rubbish, it is poor design and lazy (if they can get it right with shamway and SM crates, why not PNG and WST?). It is not just unrealistic to get stone crap from those 2 suppliers it is wrong, I am sure someone from TFP will actually read this and agree, I know a lot of players do, but hey your opinion is more valid than most and I guess you get moderator status by just agreeing with everything as it is, you probably loved the 2-3 second pauses in the last build as well

Really valuable loot in the kitchen, lmao yeah ok, whatever  glass jars and cans are OP.

I am fine with my progress, I am fine with almost all of the changes, I just find a few of the loot items stupid and exasperating, why is that so hard for you to grasp? Why do you have to say "my opinion is wrong" and give it all the L2P type replies? Again I say watch my channel, you will see I am a LOT better at this game than a good chunk of the youtubers out there without naming names!

And I am sorry you don't believe me but that is your issue to deal with, not mine. END OF SUBJECT!

I gotta agree thought im pretty sure at this point we are derailing the thread here.

For the sake of keeping this on the original trains of thoughts spamcrafting would be an excellent choice for the game now, just introduce it in the following way:

1. Experience is gainable from all actions what can naturally make you better in somekind of action, for example fighting, crafting the same tool, life experiences.
   
2. Perks exist for all what doesnt make sense to be gainable from life experience such as crafting different tools, advanced fighting methods, high technology.
   
3. Books and shematics are there for as a mixture of perks and experience, some unlock an experience line while others give you perks.
   

 

[Roland]

 I mean what magically changes that pass'n'gas crates suddenly don't have stone tools (which I am pretty sure they would never ship in sealed crates ever anyway). The loot needs to better fit the poi, even if it is low level, wrenches, repair kits, a battery, a wheel, stuff like that in Pass'n'gas crates, 1 steel tool part in a working stiff crate, stuff that better fits and leave the stone tools to other places like garage storage etc.

This is a good point and I agree that crates should have loot that better aligns with the type of container that it is. Too bad you stuck it in the middle of a thread about LBD....lol. It’s not likely to be read by anyone at TFP. You should post this in the A19 thread—perhaps a bit less confrontationally and tag @madmole and @Gazz

 

[meganoth]

You see this is why YOU shouldn't jump to conclusions. Firstly upgraded stone tools don't do more damage afaik they just have increased durability.

Secondly it is not about progression, you really should actually read what I wrote rather than answering your interpretation of it. However for the sake of cl;arity, maybe watch one of my videos where I am well tooled up, iron tools, lvl 4 AK, etc etc and STILL getting crappy stone tools from pass n gas crates. It's just rubbish, it is poor design and lazy (if they can get it right with shamway and SM crates, why not PNG and WST?). It is not just unrealistic to get stone crap from those 2 suppliers it is wrong, I am sure someone from TFP will actually read this and agree, I know a lot of players do, but hey your opinion is more valid than most and I guess you get moderator status by just agreeing with everything as it is, you probably loved the 2-3 second pauses in the last build as well

Really valuable loot in the kitchen, lmao yeah ok, whatever  glass jars and cans are OP.

I am fine with my progress, I am fine with almost all of the changes, I just find a few of the loot items stupid and exasperating, why is that so hard for you to grasp? Why do you have to say "my opinion is wrong" and give it all the L2P type replies? Again I say watch my channel, you will see I am a LOT better at this game than a good chunk of the youtubers out there without naming names!

And I am sorry you don't believe me but that is your issue to deal with, not mine. END OF SUBJECT!

From the xml:

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<passive_effect name="BlockDamage" operation="perc_add" value=".1,.5" tier="2,6" tags="perkMiner69r"/> <!-- tier bonus -->


This means 10% more damage per quality setting. I just checked actually values in the game, this means a q1 stone axe has 6 melee and 21 block damage, a q6 has 9 melee and 32 block damage

I'm sure my opinion is not more valid and I loved everyone got 2-3 second pauses and I didn't .

The game has a finite amount of stuff it can distribute that a player would find valuable at any moment. If you always find fantastic loot instead of cans the game would be finished in at day 10 and some players would immediately call for "end-game-items" because they didn't understand that they rushed through the available content too fast (not saying you do, just that it happened before). There is also the problem that showering a player with valuable stuff blunts the effect of finding valuable stuff. So I can promise you you will continue to find useless stuff in most loot boxes, whether it is a can in the kitchen cupboard or a piece of cloth in a WS crate. But you will loot the kitchen cupboard anyway for the chance of a can of miso, because that IS valuable in the early game

I never said anything like L2P to you or anything about whether you are a good player. I know players in this forum who run rings around me. But that doesn't necessarily mean that those players like the stone age anymore than you do. Especially players who want a shooter and not a survival game often show a profound impatience about having to run around with a primitive bow. There is no question they could deal with the starting zombies barefisted as well. It doesn't mean they like it. But this is a survival game too, and the early game IS practically the survival part.