That's what I said about 4x4 and running away from zombies, I met extreme resistance. What's it to me, what's it to others, doesn't matter. TFP have said they disliked LBD and it will not return
I don't remember clearly how it was before, but it's clear TFP wants you to progress by killing zombies. Their changes are basically to nudge you to go shoot zombies, and ultimately farm xp during the Blood Moon Crescendo
I would actually love to see them add weapon and tool parts to primitive loot. That would make crafting more valuable while making looting a bit more exciting for week 1.
There was a level gate in A17. If I remember correctly, you had to be level 20 to build a forge. If you where lucky you found a working forge but this was not guranteed. By the time you got your first forge you most certainly found some iron tools already.
It doesn't matter how xp is generated in the early game, my impression is that you simply don't like the survivaly early game.
Pretty much, and a blunderbuss I don't want is going to be turned into iron or dukes. The only thing I really wish I had was primitive versions of pistols, snipers, and machine guns. Plus i'm getting resources and recipes and schematics and perk books and etc. IMO finding recipes/schematics/resources is way more important than finding iron tools/T2 weapons early game. Stone tier and blundie carries you through day 14 no problem.
Nonetheless, opening up the average Working Stiff Tool's box to find a few low quality stone tools is hardly worth it. The current system is headed in the right direction, but it needs some tweaking; even finding 50-100 wood in said box would be useful, or two gear parts (steel spear, steel club, etc.) would feel beneficial.
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IMHO it should be 75 or 80% at mostAnyone else feel that the Jailbreakers candy is, dare I use the word, OP? Having a 100% chance to lockpick a safe or chest feels a bit off for me. Maybe it should be lowered down to 50%, or even 75%. Either that, or lockpicks should be made more scarce and the old system should be brought back where even successfully lockpicking a safe/chest/etc. should break (or at least have a high chance of breaking) your lockpick. Currently I just keep one lockpick and I sell the rest. (Sure, if I don't like the candy, I don't have to use it. But I also don't like wasting 30+ lockpicks on a single container.
Still too high imo; players would just keep several more lockpicks on them. The way I see things, one meaningful way to balance this would be to reduce their frequency in vending machines (or have vending machines contain more contents but they would restock only every 3 days; probably bad for MP though), and it should be around 20-25%. This would not render it useless, but it wouldn't also mean that the player could run around with 1-5 lockpicks and crack open every safe they've discovered in the past 30 days.
Sorry when I mention 75-80% at most, I'm including stacking with the perk. Not just the candy.Still too high imo; players would just keep several more lockpicks on them. The way I see things, one meaningful way to balance this would be to reduce their frequency in vending machines (or have vending machines contain more contents but they would restock only every 3 days; probably bad for MP though), and it should be around 20-25%. This would not render it useless, but it wouldn't also mean that the player could run around with 1-5 lockpicks and crack open every safe they've discovered in the past 30 days.
The issues with safes are:
1. They have the same loot table as similar unlocked containers; why go through the effort of breaking into them early on?
2. Jailbreakers
Hence I suggest that Jailbreakers be much more scarce, they should be nerfed, and gun safes/wall safes/etc. could have a marginally higher chance of giving the player guns early on, or at least parts. Then again though, this could just end up with players getting guns on day 1 again.
Basically, safes are nothing special, and due to the current inconvenience and eventual major convenience of breaking into them, the "safe marking" on the map will continue.
I agree with this. It's a good direction. A lot of us have been playing this for years and generally just check things out from patch to patch. For a finished game, I would imagine it would be better for people just stepping into the game to have a slower progression.SylenThunder said:
A wooden club and a stack of coffee can carry you through day 14 if you've played this game for as many hours as most visitors of this forum have (or if you simply don't up your gamestage, lol). Most people complaining about the new loot system don't mention difficulty at all, or wanting to have "everything" at day 1, yet you and a few others keep characterizing the issue as such. Why?
I didn't actually make the argument you are saying in my comment. What I DID say is that I achieve significant value and progression from the current state of things still AND I advocated for primitive weapons so that all of us, especially those upset at current loot, have better and more exciting loot to look forwards to. The problem isn't that people are not getting guns, it's that they feel the current loot lacks the excitement. The solution to that is not necessarily guns/iron tools as has repeatedly been argued either directly or indirectly by many. There are some who've advocated for more crafting materials instead for example.
If it helps you contextualize it A17/A18 was basically a set of major changes rolled out over 2 updates and A19/A20 appears to be the same. First update sets the ground work, builds the foundation, and then collects feedback. Second update finishes building the overall plan while incorporating SOME of that feedback. Being in that half finished limbo state is not the most comfortable place to be as an end user, but trust me as a QA Tester it's normal
. And with today's live service, early access, etc style games continiously being built with an audience gamers are getting to be part of that process too. For better and for worse .I get that you're content with the current system, which is cool. But while more primitive weapons are of course welcome, they wouldn't fix the problem of the fixed/flat/whatever loot progression, which is what my main contention is. Sure, some people just want to have the same early "overpowered" loot they're used to from A17/18. For me (and several others I've seen you respond to with the same "it's fine, trust me, I'm in QA" shtick), we're actually looking for something closer to even earlier alphas, where good gear was rare well into late game, unless you took your chances in the hub city, with its dogs and cops around every corner. Now I just whack zombies and watch the loot tsunami slowly turn purple. Sure, I have better gear to "look forward to", but it doesn't feel like it's up to me how to get it and getting my first firearm hardly feels special anymore, since it's basically a standard reward for playing X days, unless you go out of your way to avoid leveling up your GS for some reason.
I agree. And the issue was that you could get a T5 pistol with a bucket full of ammunition, which shouldn't be happening. The pistol you get should be T1, found ammo should be limiting. It's going to be the weapon you save for a last minute hail mary, and not something good enough to carry you through the first horde night. Maybe you'll get an AK or an M-60, and those should last you long enough to get a couple of clips of ammo through them, and that's it. Then they'll need repairs, which isn't something you can do yet.
