PC I finally found use for trader.

[hiemfire]

Sure, waiting for 20 is likely smart; I doubt they're redoing the system though, so getting a grasp of the concepts wouldn't go to waste. As for how the pillar thing applies; the four faces of the pillar will each carry their worth of weight (iron types carry 300, 300x4 allows for that 1200). The same applies for vertical support faces that are supporting the same structure, in this case the dirt-dirt-stone combination all add to the maximum mass of the structure above.

Vertically the 14 block limit seems a bit finicky, I just stacked 28 wood blocks to the side of a wooden pillar from three support faces. It only collapsed once I messed with the bottom by adding support underneath and then removing - it got cut neatly at the 14th block.

Spoiler

s = support pillar

x = hanging frames

  28   x   x  sx  sx  sx  s  s

So you did (f=frame, sf=support frame, g=ground) :

    f28

    ~

    f20

    f19

    f18

    f17

    f16

    f15

    f14

    f13

    f12

    f11

    f10

    f9

    f8

    f7

    f6

    f5

    f4

sf f3

sf f2

sf f1

sf

 g g

And it broke at 14 after you triggered a recalculation by placing and removing a frame between f1 and the ground? Or did it break at "f17" in my diagram?

Edit: it changed ) : without the space into a frown emoji.

 

[theFlu]

Had to go back and verify.. all these poor innocent wood frames

The f17 was the first block to get destroyed, only 16 blocks left - which is equal to the 13 free-hanging iron blocks in the horizontal case.

 

[hiemfire]

Had to go back and verify.. all these poor innocent wood frames

The f17 was the first block to get destroyed, only 16 blocks left - which is equal to the 13 free-hanging iron blocks in the horizontal case.

Hey, thanks for double checking.  Looks like the "Magic 8 Block" is now the "Magic 13 Block".

Doing a rough calc 1 stone + 4 Dirt blocks has a total max mass capacity of 200. (120 for stone, 20 each for the dirt)

Using the OP as an example, the individual vertical sections (excluding the stairway, corner supports and drawbridge sections) each have a total of 44 mass (assuming 4 cobble or concrete and 1 wood) above the ground level and totals 5 blocks not attached to a support block (block with a straight line to bedrock). For those sections one could extend the base of the wall out from the support by a further 2 with an arrow slit connecting into a ramp (for an additional 8, 14 or 20 mass depending on the materials, excluding steel and iron) for 7 blocks total. That gives an additional 4 blocks worth of wiggle room if they want a roof on their hoarding, though it would mean that the wall sections are more vulnerable to collapse if a cop, demolisher or rad vulture knocks out one of the arrow slits. I doubt it'd work for sections depending on gravel (regardless of what the wiki says, gravel does not have the ability to support 500 mass on a face) or sand for support though.

 

[theFlu]

As long as the weight allows, nothing stopping one from turning it into a tunnel base, walls on each side, roof on top. I think I've seen one on the tubes... If needed, extend the support wall downwards, although I have no idea how far down the support faces will carry, may be a limit somewhere. Nor am I going to guess how it will fail ..

Your weights are a bit odd for the current iteration, atm they're 5, 10 and 20 for wood, stone and iron; but close enough for the concept.

 

[hiemfire]

Your weights are a bit odd for the current iteration, atm they're 5, 10 and 20 for wood, stone and iron; but close enough for the concept.

Blame the wiki... Using 5,10,20 the additional mass for extending it outwards by 2 blocks would be 10,15,20.