Nah it is not trash. Depends on situation really. Single zombies in the distance the hunting rifle is the go-to weapon. For groups and you can use the AK (well or in my case the M60). However I can sometimes one-shot radiated zombies in sneak mode with my hunting rifle. It is also my main weapon of choice during horde nights
. The M60 is for close encounters or groups of zombies. I save my shotgun shells for my auto shotgun turrets.
Oh wow. Your magical scenario where 3 zombies line up in a conga line for your mythical perfect damage shot lol. Then you woke up.
Yea zombies off in the distance is a good use for the HR over the AK I'll concede that. It's just when the going gets tough the go to gun is the AK.Nah it is not trash. Depends on situation really. Single zombies in the distance the hunting rifle is the go-to weapon. For groups and you can use the AK (well or in my case the M60). However I can sometimes one-shot radiated zombies in sneak mode with my hunting rifle. It is also my main weapon of choice during horde nights
Meh. I'm partially over arguing the case cause I'm bored today lol.
Except there is nothing "magical" about it. You can either design a base around their pathing AI to force them into a line, or you can left them group up in a bunch and fire into that group, and still penetrate more enemies than the AK47 using the same ammunition. That doesn't make the rifles better than machine guns for that usage scenario, but to say the gun is trash because the DPS is trash is a little far-fetched, especially considering Perks. Further, if you're specializing into Perception it would be silly not to max out Demolitions Expert, and I could imagine pumped up explosives combined with Penetrator and a Marksman Rifle being very devastating on a BM horde. You don't have to like the rifles, especially if they don't suit your gameplay style. I don't care for spears. To each their own. Point being, rifles aren't trash just because you don't like them.
Other side of the coin dictates that could mean the AK is overpower for its tier. I don't know if the Hunting Rifle is under powered or the AK is overpowered, but I can see why you feel that in comparison to another tier 2 weapon it feels weak.
Slap a reflex sight on a hunting rifle and watch as when you ADS it pretty much instantly fully tightens the crosshairs as tight as they can go. Plus it has a laser pointer, I'd not use hunting rifle or marksman rifle as a main weapon though, to small clip size for my liking, I prefer at least a pistol for mid range. Unless you know that one shot is going to be a instakill. Which even on warrior difficulty a decently rolled 3 slot hunting rifle with 2 mods in it, will probally 1 shot normal male zombies when standing with headshots even without anything in perception. Its very ammo efficent like the shotgun is. I've gotten my shotgun doing 22x8 with buckshot, and thats not including the bonuses from perks on top (they really need to have perk bonuses show up somewhere, it used to show on the modify window in a17.4 itd show your actual damage with perks+mods on that window)
The Hunting rifle is not a Damage Per Second weapon, its a damage per shot weapon. Sadly damage per shot weapons are usually vastly out preformed by things with bigger clips. Even a pistol easly out dps's the hunting rifle. Hunting rifle is all about 1 shot 1 kill. Marksman rifle a little less so as it doesn't hit as hard as the hunting rifle (Which IMO is really stupid, just like how the smg hits for less than a friggin pistol does. They had a excuse for the pistol and smg in a16, but now that there is a full auto mod, to turn most guns full auto, there is no excuse why the smg has lower base damage than the pistol. It should match it at the very least. The ak47 and M60 have roughly the same damage, but the M60 just has almost double the clip so that makes it a tier higher.Except there is nothing "magical" about it. You can either design a base around their pathing AI to force them into a line, or you can left them group up in a bunch and fire into that group, and still penetrate more enemies than the AK47 using the same ammunition. That doesn't make the rifles better than machine guns for that usage scenario, but to say the gun is trash because the DPS is trash is a little far-fetched, especially considering Perks. Further, if you're specializing into Perception it would be silly not to max out Demolitions Expert, and I could imagine pumped up explosives combined with Penetrator and a Marksman Rifle being very devastating on a BM horde. You don't have to like the rifles, especially if they don't suit your gameplay style. I don't care for spears. To each their own. Point being, rifles aren't trash just because you don't like them.
It should go without saying I'm not intending any offense, just refuting the idea that this or that is "trash" simply because someone doesn't like it. FWIW, I enjoy your videos, so don't take my comments personally.
Other side of the coin dictates that could mean the AK is overpower for its tier. I don't know if the Hunting Rifle is under powered or the AK is overpowered, but I can see why you feel that in comparison to another tier 2 weapon it feels weak.
[*]Known issues not all players know how to use a long range high damage fast firing weapon.
So you are playing at least survivalist right, or insane? with x32 or better on the horde night right?
You clearly haven't considered the perk tree in your assessment. The hunting rifle is great DPS if you spec into it and reload times are nothing as well if you spec into Run and Gun. Get a bandoleir and it's not even a single second reload time. What are the changes you want? It's just not viable as a close range weapon at lower levels.
Yea. What are the other tier 1 craftables? Pump shotty and pistol right? And auto turret. Yea ya know what it's not the HR is weak, although I still dont like and and will never use it, it's more the AK is just so good for that tier.Except there is nothing "magical" about it. You can either design a base around their pathing AI to force them into a line, or you can left them group up in a bunch and fire into that group, and still penetrate more enemies than the AK47 using the same ammunition. That doesn't make the rifles better than machine guns for that usage scenario, but to say the gun is trash because the DPS is trash is a little far-fetched, especially considering Perks. Further, if you're specializing into Perception it would be silly not to max out Demolitions Expert, and I could imagine pumped up explosives combined with Penetrator and a Marksman Rifle being very devastating on a BM horde. You don't have to like the rifles, especially if they don't suit your gameplay style. I don't care for spears. To each their own. Point being, rifles aren't trash just because you don't like them.
It should go without saying I'm not intending any offense, just refuting the idea that this or that is "trash" simply because someone doesn't like it. FWIW, I enjoy your videos, so don't take my comments personally.
Other side of the coin dictates that could mean the AK is overpower for its tier. I don't know if the Hunting Rifle is under powered or the AK is overpowered, but I can see why you feel that in comparison to another tier 2 weapon it feels weak.
I have been using the ak since it came out. Never run out of ammo, although I do tend to farm for it. When a a group of irradiated ferals are in your face in a closed room the ak is the gun. The HR is a death sentence. If your out in the open the HR is fine but that's no danger mode already so, meh.
Tier 1 gub craftable. The guns you need to take that first point in a tree to craft. HR, AK, shotgun, pistol and auto turret. Seems the AK is the big boy on this block lol.
