Horde - yes, straw man argument. You win by default, at least you thought you would. I spotted that though. I wasn't arguing against horde nights. And in case you think I didn't notice the horde nights, statistically I went through 685,71 horde nights since I started playing the game, calculating each day 50 min IRL time, thank you very much. I know what a horde night is, you don't have to belittle me. But who says I'm any better eh? (I'm not. Read on.)
"You're supposed to build a fortress..." I'm not buying that because it didn't say that anywhere at any time and doesn't now either. Where are you getting that from? I'm pretty sure I know where, don't tell me, it's where the sun doesn't shine much. If digging never was the point then explain to me why everyone could do so for lots of years? There is a huge discrepancy in what we are all of a sudden "supposed to do" (
Says Who? anyway?) compared to what for years has been the norm. Why even put seams of ores into the ground. Dude - digging was never an exploit, it was part of the game. You banging your head against the wall screaming that it was never supposed to be like that isn't going to help your argument. You are not even being fair in your arguing, as if it is down to dishonest players and it being their fault that zombies couldn't dig properly before a17. It's TFPs fault! Like everything good or bad is their fault when it comes to the design of the game. So, with that said, all your complaints about chicken players that you've been making here and how everybody sucks at playing the game, maybe your real target of your complaints should have been TFP for the last 10 years or what ever. I hope it was, because if you haven't complained about this previously, you're just exposing yourself as being a hypocrite! Actually you are, but I'll come back to that in the end.
And just as an aside - I've actually had hordes dig down quite a bit already in a16. I guess you never tried. Can't knock it unless you tried it
. I doubt you will however, the mere thought of it seems to offend you for some reason, and as long as not every single other player is completely deprived of the possibility of digging a hole to hide in, you disapprove of the players and the game. That's what you're getting at. Who's problem is that? Yours! Because you have the choice to do what ever you want, other players have their choices. They want a rabbit hole, they get their rabbit hole. It's still your personal problem. Is it because you can't find them an steal all their stuff? You can be all split naked, running around with your bare fists come horde night, knocking them all to the ground and feel good about it, what do you care if someone else wants to do it differently? From somewhere you get the urge to get all grumpy about people doing something different from what you're doing. But I don't wanna know about it or I'll have to start charging you money for therapy sessions. I have better things to do anyway so don't even PM me about it.
Also I think that your definition of the word fortress is not very accurate. Point out one fortress that didn't have deep cellars, unless the ground wasn't suitable for building those. They are called bunkers (because it's time for
me now to tell
you something
you didn't know). So if everybody built a - fortress - just like you want it, would that be okay you think? Would that be acceptable? Can they play too then? Please? Pretty please with sugar on top? Hey everybody! Listen up! You have to check with Xtrakicking for your future planning permissions! Order now! Form a line right there!! You better know it! He'll get really pissed off if you don't submit your plans to him before hand! And don't you dare even putting down an LCB before he hasn't given you the go-ahead, okay? ... OKAY?? Quick now, let's get this line moving!
Look! The board is full of players who haven't become bored extremely fast, who are actually complaining. Maybe you didn't see them. Here is how to find those posts - just stop ignoring the 75% of posters who have been complaining in all the treads on here the last few days. Or maybe you just get a little honest and stop discrediting opinions that don't align with yours, because your way of argumentation here is wilfully misleading. You're pissed off about something, but I bet it ain't what you say it is, because this doesn't make any sense. Again -I don't wanna know. Keep it to yourself. It's not *my* problem.
You didn't get it when I talked about my prized Yukka wall,
The Envy of the Seven Deserts it's also called (just to let you know, because me and my Yucca wall go way back and this is kinda personal! In a17 it's
The Envy of the one Desert, of course.). But joking aside - if I actually wanted to build a wall of yucca plants to defend myself against a horde it would have to be going out from my base all the way to spawn distance and still that wouldn't be enough to hold off the zombies. (Makes me kinda feel like your mum telling you this). So what was my point with mentioning a yucca wall you say? My point was choice. *BADABING* Choice! The choice to TRY to do things however I want, and to be able to fail and try again. As things are now,
you don't even have the choice to try (and subsequently fail). It's not possible because you lack the skills for it! Either they are turned off, or they are level gated and far far off in the future making the beginning of the game bland and ... boring.
But back to something else, because you said it best yourself, mate - quote "not every playstyle will be satisfied" so why did I even answer your post, since THAT is exactly what the game has always been: unsatisfying to you, for years, and if people can't complain about it now (But you can? About them? And their playstyle?), then do yourself a big favour: consider that for yourself and take your fingers off of your keyboard now, and clickadiclick your mouse out of this forum and go play a17 before it changes into the bad game you always hated. Hypocrite.
You want super challenging, only for the elite playaz tower defense? Why don't you go play Plants vs. Zombies then and leave us suckers who want some freedom of choice to wallow in our current misery.
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very sad story i know
