PC How do you like the current encumbrance system?

Liesel Weppen said:
Nothing against this. Darkness Falls does this already. But it does not change inventory size. The bigger backpack just makes less slots encumbering. ;)
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Which is exactly what the current perk in the game does.  Which would be fine if we had more inventory slots available (another row would be perfect, in my opinion).

 
Maharin said:
Which would be fine if we had more inventory slots available (another row would be perfect, in my opinion).
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What i'm talking about is, with encumbered slots, the inventory slots doesn't even need to be finite. Because encumberance will make you unable to move, once you have X items more in the inventory then you have unencumbered slots.

It's just an unnecessary hardcap and because of that hardcap i'm not even using the full potential of unencumberance, because it is pointless if you hit a hard wall only one slot later. :D

 
Liesel Weppen said:
What i'm talking about is, with encumbered slots, the inventory slots doesn't even need to be finite. Because encumberance will make you unable to move, once you have X items more in the inventory then you have unencumbered slots.

It's just an unnecessary hardcap and because of that hardcap i'm not even using the full potential of unencumberance, because it is pointless if you hit a hard wall only one slot later. :D
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Agreed, but programming an infinite inventory interface that is also efficient is harder than it sounds.  But even if the hard cap was 20 rows of inventory it would be more than enough to do what you are talking about.

 
Maharin said:
Agreed, but programming an infinite inventory interface that is also efficient is harder than it sounds.
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I doubt and is already proven wrong, because mods like undead legacy have already added infinite inventory slots (and also added a weight system).

And i'm a software developer myself.

  But even if the hard cap was 20 rows of inventory it would be more than enough to do what you are talking about.
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Yep, that's enough in practice. Like Darkness Falls already does with the 96-slots (?) inventory.

 
Roland said:
I like it and wish it went further-- as in smaller backpacks with less slots to larger backpacks with more slots than we currently have. The whole point of it is to feel that sense of accomplishment once you have a vehicle and/or all slots cleared. I have played with mods that increase backpack size and/or clear all slots by spending one skill point in pack mule and those mods make the game feel much closer to creative mode to me.  Same with the early game struggle to manage stamina. It might be annoying and we might wish to be able to do everything we want wearing whatever we want for as long as we want-- but the early game restriction that slowly eases up as your character progresses gives that sense of growth and when you can finally swing that sledgehammer without pooping out after only three swings, it feels good. IMO, better than just being able to always use a sledgehammer all day long uninterrupted from Day 1. 
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I agree wholeheartedly with the idea of finding bigger backpacks ala Project Zomboid.  

 
I liked the Fallout 3-4 weight system, it didn't count ammo because it would be a hit on performance.  Simple and it made sense for a shooter. 

The current system for 7D2D is clunky as a shooter but its a builder too so slots could hold infinite weight.

As 7D2D is a survival game too, the player needs to make survival choices and choosing what items to bring back to base is a part of survival.

SO, its the best choice for the game if survival/building is the focus over being a shooter.  

 
Aldranon said:
I liked the Fallout 3-4 weight system, it didn't count ammo because it would be a hit on performance.  Simple and it made sense for a shooter.
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Haha, yeah, Fallout is a nice one in this point. That was not a gameplay decission. The engine of fallout doesn't know the concept of stacks. If you have 500 bullets in your inventory, from a data viewpoint there are literally 500 single bullets in your inventory, not one stack of 500 bullets. That also applied to the bottle caps.

The performence hit came, because for weight they'd had to evaluate the weight of 500 single items then.

Only the UI made them visually look like stacks, but from the data itself, they were not.

 
Liesel Weppen said:
Haha, yeah, Fallout is a nice one in this point. That was not a gameplay decission. The engine of fallout doesn't know the concept of stacks. If you have 500 bullets in your inventory, from a data viewpoint there are literally 500 single bullets in your inventory, not one stack of 500 bullets. That also applied to the bottle caps.

The performence hit came, because for weight they'd had to evaluate the weight of 500 single items then.

Only the UI made them visually look like stacks, but from the data itself, they were not.
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Wow, where'd you get your "Information" is interesting, but wrong, at least with ammo in FO4.

No weight.

 
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Aldranon said:
Wow, where'd you get your "Information" is interesting, but wrong, at least with ammo in FO4.

No weight.
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He didn’t say they had weight, he said that if they did have weight, the system couldn’t handle it sice it would treat each bullet (and bottle cap) as one unit and would affect performance

 
I don't know. The current encumbrance is pretty basic and barebones, that's a mixed bag. On one hand it's easy to understand and solve. Much like others that have posted above, well after playing a mod. I am more biased towards a Fallout 4/ Skyrim weight system than instead of what we have right now in vanilla. I don't like being limited to only a specific amount of backpack space. IF the pocket mods added more slots then I'd be ecstatic! In general I just want more inventory slots.

 
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