PC How do you like A17 experimental?
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Ghostlight
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Or make them rarer but the buff they convey is permanent or lasts a few days, or (and this would be my suggestion)....
Make their buff work even the if the player is capped by gating on the appropriate stats. The fact I can read these magazines and they will do NOTHING if the stat is currently maxed out because of level gating makes them especially useless
As far as perk allocations go, I would suggest re-exploring the A15 point system (perks can remain as is) where you gain a certain number of points every level and more points every (what was it 10?) levels and some perks costing more.
So instead of sitting around with points and nowhere to place them, remove the level gating and award bonus points every 5 or 10 levels along with the obligatory 'you leveled up, here's a point' when you CAN use them where you need them. Now... don't be silly and say there's always a perk to put points into.. that's just being daft and ignoring the fact that.. there are perks people wouldn't bother with till much later in the game.
Some might say... level gating is gone but you're still restricted in the same way. I say, sometimes it's how it's sold. You don't have a bunch of points sitting around useless. Not having enough points is different from useless points.
So instead of sitting around with points and nowhere to place them, remove the level gating and award bonus points every 5 or 10 levels along with the obligatory 'you leveled up, here's a point' when you CAN use them where you need them. Now... don't be silly and say there's always a perk to put points into.. that's just being daft and ignoring the fact that.. there are perks people wouldn't bother with till much later in the game.
Some might say... level gating is gone but you're still restricted in the same way. I say, sometimes it's how it's sold. You don't have a bunch of points sitting around useless. Not having enough points is different from useless points.
Viktoriusiii
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THIS IS AWESOME!!! This would solve SO MANY ISSUES!!!!
If they would implement this into a server search function, I would be willing to overlook certain parts of this alpha and praise them again!
I raised something similar to this a long while ago.
This is basically having a GUI for all the .xml functions. The answer I got was basically, because the spreadsheet data changes so often, the possibility of this happening isn't going to happen till things are a little more 'finalized'.
HungryZombie
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If you don't search and loot how do you:
Get food?
Get drinks?
Get stuff to make bandages and first aid kits?
Find pills to heal yourself?
Find weapon mods?
Find schematics?
PoppaTot
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My response literally says "I explore for loot" lmao
Get Food? : easily found while searching for loot
Get Drinks? : easily found while searching for loot
Get stuff to make bandages and first aid kits? : easily found while searching for loot
Find pills to heal yourself? : easily found while searching for loot
Find weapon mods? : this is literally "loot"
Find schematics? : this is literally "loot"
That all seemed pretty self-explanatory?....
30 days, that is 30 hours. As sandbox gamers we are spoiled, and as serious gamers with a lot of time to play we have a skewed sense of time investment. Many AAA games if I got 30 hours out of them before I shelved them I considered myself lucky. To a casual 30 hours is a lot of playtime. Even to me, who unless I have some looming deadline and need to work a lot of OT has 30+ hours a week to game, that's still a significant investment of time into 1 game (yes, I said it, I'm unfaithful, I play other games...it's not that I don't love you 7DTD, you just can't satisfy all my needs!). Like I brought up to someone griping about being "done" by day 50 on another thread, how many hours should it take for one to unlock the entire experience?
How can you say there's nothing to spend points on? If all else fails the stats are all useful. Who doesn't need more health or stamina? One could argue that one could ignore strength or perception, like as a ranged player I can ignore strength tree to a degree (MP especially where one can ignore certain tasks; I do all the crafting but I got 3 other guys to do diggy diggy hole) but still the extra damage when I do need to melee, and being able to get another level of packmule I don't consider it a waste. The only time I don't spend points is when I am close to a level gate, so I can get a jump on new crafting skills.
If there were no level gates then sure I would min-max and beeline for certain skills, and of course MP it would be even easier to do so. Would it make my gameplay experience any better? Probably not. I haven't poked through the XMLs for A17 but I imagine it's trivial to remove the level gates, 5 entries - each ability, if you want to remove ability gates then find/replace is a thing, so still trivial. I'm surprised the haters haven't done it yet.
Now A16 there was plenty of times I had nothing to spend points on since I was waiting for the next gate to open before I could get the next perk I wanted.
It amuses me to no end the people crying how one leveling/skill/perk system restricts their freedom more than another when to me ALL of them restrict my freedom. A10 (skills were A11 right?) you just jumped in and started playing. Total freedom. It was amazing! If the game ♥♥♥♥ed up and you had to restart or you just wanted to try something different, at least you didn't have to start grinding out XP again. Needing to freshstart because a patch changed worldgen, no big deal. Yeah, I lose my stuff and whatever I built but getting the stuff and building was the fun.
Now consoling and/or modding yourself to max skills is easy enough to bypass the whole thing, and I have done it, but it is not quite the same experience since it throws the balance out the window. So there's a balance between what we were gimped away so we could earn those abilities back to where it's extra abilities.
I'm also finding with the new perk & gating system adds an element of strategy, it's subtle, too subtle for many people, but it's there.
HungryZombie
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Are they useless still if you get the death penalty?
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I must have misunderstood your point then. I thought you meant you normally search for loot but with the perk system you can perk out now and not have any reason to search POI's.
To which my question then followed that if you could perk everything how do you find all that stuff.
joeevaristo
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I'd LOVE something like that, with only one addition: a death penalty slider between 0 and 60, too. Otherwise, it looks like all of the major settings I'd want to adjust on the fly.
Kam R.
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Basically you can rather quickly get to a point where you don't have to enter a POI ever again. I can see PoppaTots' point here. There is barely anything special loot wise you have to risk your A for. So many cool new locations, but I only visit them for the sake of having visited them. I hope to see a change there in the future where
1. Specific high end loot is ONLY found in specific, hard POI and in hard to reach places you have to either fight for or be really good at sneaking.
2. Quests will take you on special missions related to special POI. (Example: Repair a powerplant to restore electricity to a town or provide a trader settlement with it.)
Water is only an early game problem (as it should be really, I don't want to spend all game worrying the 3 basic needs...I mean that would be a TRUE survival game, but it wouldn't be fun). Gamz4kicks did infinite water, so it still exists.All goodYou can perk into things that make food and water a real moot point though. I live in the snow biome as well..... infinite water with snow everywhere. Also, I do believe the infinite water exploit still works as well.
Even if it was removed, much as I prefer a water source in/near my base, if there isn't 1 convenient and I can't be arsed to bring buckets of water in - pretty damn easy to crank out glass jars by the hundreds and just fill them all at once every few days.
vonstorm
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The problem with water and water storage is that it is bulky. In game to make it more of a hassle, lower the stack size of bottles. Water should be somewhat of an issue for someone that has built a base without considering a source. Add a vehicle mod - water tank - that should ease it up if needed. Also add a water tank placeable that fills when it rains.
Ghostlight
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90 mins, everything else default I believe, except max difficulty. Max difficulty was only set halfway through I admit (once the OP feeling began to surface). No way I could handle max in the first week or two as I loathe bullet sponge enemies as a design.
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I get that, but I'm used to it being day 100 before I get to the power level I got to on day 30.
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SnowDog1942
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I play on carebear settings untill im all powerful - and this game is over too quick and is too easy!