PC Hi - Im really worried about TFP and 7d2d

[DaVegaNL]

Yeah I guess the previous releases were quick if you compare them with A17..

I guess getting your arm broken, getting a flat tire on the highway, and forgetting the name of your wife at your wedding day is not so bad as.. you know.. being in a plane crash?

My point is; do TFP consider their previous releases quick? If so, do they hence consider the A17 development time normal?

 

[Garenman]

I'd like to take a moment to point out that this statement is wholly incorrect.
What you paid money for, was access to the Alpha version that was available at the time you purchased. Anything that comes after is icing on the cake.

You might want to go back and refresh yourself on the Seam Early Access Facts.

https://store.steampowered.com/earlyaccessfaq/

I'm entirely aware of everything to do with Early Access games. You trying to mince my point wont change that.

We paid into supporting the game for it's full release. Not gonna play semantics about it. Or hear someone say it's raining while someone's peeing, if you get me.

By their own admission, it's an "over scoped" build. The suspense is killing everyone.

 

[Dawg711]

TO THE FUN PIMP STAFF

Despite all the TROLLS that are apparently here and especially on Steam Forums you have 10's of 1,000's of loyal patient fans. All your true fans can do is really hope that you can IGNORE the trolls and doom and gloom. Keep doing what you are doing. Every Early Access game on Steam has the same Troll Base. Steam is becoming a sewer filled with crap. Steam refuses to do anything about it sadly guys like me are banned and warned because I speak up. Well I almost NEVER post here but well with the thread on the Steam Forum being locked already because it was completely bombed by people that never post to begin with I felt support is needed for you guys.

So Devs keep it up take until 2020 if needed. Does not matter what the community keeps screaming those that bought your game mto SUPPORT you will continue to do that. Those IGNORANT to what Early Access is or how game develope works will continue to show their ignorance. Even now half of them will report this post for the use of Ignorant as they have no idea what it means but decided it is a word that is offensive. Perhaps some of them should learn English before judging.

GOOD LUCK DEVS I personally know A17 is going to be worth the wait. I will support you always regardless of the trolls. I will continue to stand up to these types regardless of what any moderation team says. Trolls can NOT be allowed to take over STeam or this Early Access program. I am one man though so I have a feeling they already won. I say Ban all these trolls and be done with it. That means you have 100 people left so be it you will get more. For every one you ban atleast 2 more good people will join.

 

[Roland]

My point is; do TFP consider their previous releases quick? If so, do they hence consider the A17 development time normal?

Of course not. Rick just admitted that A17 was over scoped. They didn’t intend for it to take this long and they know that it wasn’t good that it did. They considered their previous builds that were 3-6 months to be good for them. Weekly or monthly releases is something they choose not to do. So they do know the difference between a quick release schedule and a not quick release schedule and they deliberately choose not quick.

 

[Dawg711]

Seems Trolls rule over here too. Say the wrong thing and you get yelled at it for it. I am a grown man and these people treat me like a child? I paid for a product and instead of being treated like a PAYING CUSTOMER I get treated as these DOOM and GLOOM trolls need to be treated. I have one Strike? Really? That does the very thing to your CUSTOMERS that you claim people like me do. Again with the "Do as I say not as I do" moderation style. Nice to see that getting stronger. Oh well I can not be bothered to come here often. Wanted to support TFP but that is not allowed if it upsets the snowflakes.

 

[Gamer_62]

To be very honest,This games has took up several 1000 hours of game play for me,The only game that i have played that much.

So for that it may not be a finished game but its a game that can be played as one.

and at the end of the day...even if A17 wasn't even planned ,the game still is amazing.So A17 is a bonus.

 

[RestInPieces]

Seems Trolls rule over here too. Say the wrong thing and you get yelled at it for it. I am a grown man and these people treat me like a child? I paid for a product and instead of being treated like a PAYING CUSTOMER I get treated as these DOOM and GLOOM trolls need to be treated. I have one Strike? Really? That does the very thing to your CUSTOMERS that you claim people like me do. Again with the "Do as I say not as I do" moderation style. Nice to see that getting stronger. Oh well I can not be bothered to come here often. Wanted to support TFP but that is not allowed if it upsets the snowflakes.

Steam refuses to do anything about it sadly guys like me are banned and warned because I speak up.

Ever considered that you might be doing something wrong? Just saying that your main arguments are like "away with gloom & doom trolls" (whatever that means), "ban the negativity" (because that will surely dispell the negativity and make things better), "whoever has a different view is ignorant" (without explaining how game development works).

 

[balls-ofyre]

To be perfectly truthful, 7d2d has been the most heavily played modern game that I've had the delight to experience. I play all sorts of games, and have pretty damn high standards, and there is no beating 7dtd for it's immersive excitement and the amount of "things to do". It's as creative a game as the player makes it, and it's replayability is second to none.

Kudos to the team who have developed it, and I say, let 'em take their time to get the final incarnation the way they want it.

After all, I've already gotten 100x or better my money out of it in the thousands of hours of fearful building and survival I've experienced here.

I can hardly complain.

 

[DaVegaNL]

Of course not. Rick just admitted that A17 was over scoped. They didn’t intend for it to take this long and they know that it wasn’t good that it did. They considered their previous builds that were 3-6 months to be good for them. Weekly or monthly releases is something they choose not to do. So they do know the difference between a quick release schedule and a not quick release schedule and they deliberately choose not quick.

Ok thanks! Yeah I guess monthly releases are too quick in order to put meaningfull content into them. I just didn't realise that Rick meant the releases prior to A8 when he was talking about 'quick releases', but the whole release history overall. Because you need to have a certain baseline of course, if you're talking about quick. But thanks!

 

[DaVegaNL]

Seems Trolls rule over here too. Say the wrong thing and you get yelled at it for it. I am a grown man and these people treat me like a child? I paid for a product and instead of being treated like a PAYING CUSTOMER I get treated as these DOOM and GLOOM trolls need to be treated. I have one Strike? Really? That does the very thing to your CUSTOMERS that you claim people like me do. Again with the "Do as I say not as I do" moderation style. Nice to see that getting stronger. Oh well I can not be bothered to come here often. Wanted to support TFP but that is not allowed if it upsets the snowflakes.

Ahhh. Dawg. I see you've made an account on here as well, in stead of just the Steam forum.. Welcome!

I fondly remember your caps-lock ridden.. speeches.. over there. Funny to see you mention yelling

Actually, I think the official forum is much more open to critique, and the moderators on here are doing a much better job, imho. Don't know exactly know who's moderating the Steam forums, but whenever I check them ~50% of the most recent threads are locked

 

[madjack75]

Seems Trolls rule over here too. Say the wrong thing and you get yelled at it for it.

No one is yelling at you.

I am a grown man and these people treat me like a child?

A real "grown man" never has to announce that he is a grown man.

I paid for a product and instead of being treated like a PAYING CUSTOMER I get treated as these DOOM and GLOOM trolls need to be treated. I have one Strike? Really? That does the very thing to your CUSTOMERS that you claim people like me do. Again with the "Do as I say not as I do" moderation style. Nice to see that getting stronger. Oh well I can not be bothered to come here often. Wanted to support TFP but that is not allowed if it upsets the snowflakes.

We all paid for the product. My guess is you have several hundred hours on this game already played, and you still feel cheated somehow. Who is a "snowflake" now?

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Ahhh. Dawg. I see you've made an account on here as well, in stead of just the Steam forum.. Welcome!I fondly remember your caps-lock ridden.. speeches.. over there. Funny to see you mention yelling

Actually, I think the official forum is much more open to critique, and the moderators on here are doing a much better job, imho. Don't know exactly know who's moderating the Steam forums, but whenever I check them ~50% of the most recent threads are locked

I'd kinda like to read those, for a laugh. What's the username over there?

 

[SylenThunder]

...Don't know exactly know who's moderating the Steam forums, but whenever I check them ~50% of the most recent threads are locked

You're doing something wrong, because your estimate is wholly incorrect.

As it sits right now, these are the locked tallies for the most recent 50 threads in each section.

General Discussion 4

9 moved due to being posted in the incorrect forum.

Survivor Stories 0

Off Topic 16

The majority of which were locked because the Steam Community is incapable of having a civil discussion.

Bug\Crash Reports 0

Servers 0

Modding 0

General Questions 2

Console Talk 0

Now if we do the math... With 50 posts per forum section, and 8 sections totaled, that's 400 posts. Out of 400 posts, 22 are locked.

22 locked posts out of 400 total makes for 4%.

The facts speak for themselves.

If you're going to spread blatant lies, you should at least try to make it believable.

 

[Kubikus]

You're doing something wrong, because your estimate is wholly incorrect.
As it sits right now, these are the locked tallies for the most recent 50 threads in each section.

General Discussion 4

9 moved due to being posted in the incorrect forum.

Survivor Stories 0

Off Topic 16

The majority of which were locked because the Steam Community is incapable of having a civil discussion.

Bug\Crash Reports 0

Servers 0

Modding 0

General Questions 2

Console Talk 0

Now if we do the math... With 50 posts per forum section, and 8 sections totaled, that's 400 posts. Out of 400 posts, 22 are locked.

22 locked posts out of 400 total makes for 4%.

The facts speak for themselves.

If you're going to spread blatant lies, you should at least try to make it believable.

He said "whenever I check", not "always". So he might've checked on days when the forums looked like this:

Or like this:

Or like this:

It may also be assumed that he did not check all the forums, but only the main one, that you get to when you click "Discussions". If you like scientific research:

page - locked threads

1 - 1

2 - 0

3 - 3

4 - 3

5 - 4

6 - 1

7 - 4

8 - 3

9 - 1

10 - 6

11 - 10

12 - 4

13 - 0

14 - 7

15 - 3

That makes 50 closed threads on 15 pages with 15 posts each, so 50 of 225, and that again is not 50% but 22%. Of the main forum. Since we're professional researchers and statisticians, we have to compare the rate with other games. And so I did:

Project Zomboid

18 locked threads on 15 pages = 8%

Empyrion

7 locked threads on 15 pages = 3%

Ark

1 locked thread on 15 pages = 0.5%

 

[DaVegaNL]

You're doing something wrong, because your estimate is wholly incorrect.
[snip]

Okay, sure. I was wrong about the actual numbers there with my guess. I only looked at the general discussions, and I don't check those forums all the time. Last time I checked was around the time MM published his video. Guess that increased the amount of locked threads.

I still don't see much locked/removed threads on this forum though, and I have the feeling the amount of banning going on here is much less than on Steam. Of course, one doesn't see everything which is removed..

The moderators here appear much friendlier (Roland comes to mind) in my experience. He is almost always civil and I don't think I've seen him be angry or something.

I mean, for example, I wouldn't expect him to say that the forum-goers here are incapable of having a civil discussion, like you said in your post. That would make a poor community moderator, would it not?

 

[DaVegaNL]

I'd kinda like to read those, for a laugh. What's the username over there?

Hehe, don't know man. Something with Dawg was all I remember. That was somewhere around the time of the last playthrough video of MM. Could be wrong though.

 

[Jedo]

Since we're professional researchers and statisticians, we have to compare the rate with other games. And so I did:
Project Zomboid

18 locked threads on 15 pages = 8%

Empyrion

7 locked threads on 15 pages = 3%

Ark

1 locked thread on 15 pages = 0.5%

Who says those aren't closer to 22% on other days (since, apparently, it can depend on the day)? Also, which 15 pages did you use? Ark has nearly 100 pages.

I find your sampling to be unsatisfactory.

 

[DaVegaNL]

[substantial snip]

Hehe, yeah this is what I meant! Of course, it makes sense the amount of locked threads ebbs and wanes. I was just talking about a gut-feeling.

 

[Kubikus]

Who says those aren't closer to 22% on other days (since, apparently, it can depend on the day)?

But the 22% on the 7dtd forum is not on a day, it's the whole main forum. That's why my methodology is better than just looking at a few recent pages. The bigger the sample, the more meaningful the result, right.

Also, which 15 pages did you use? Ark has nearly 100 pages.

I used the first 15 pages of those four game forums that you get to when you click "Community Hub -> Discussions".

I find your sampling to be unsatisfactory.

Because you don't like the outcome. Would I use the whole forums of the other games, the result might even be... "worse"? The percentage of closed threads in those other games' forums might be even lower.

Sylents methodology is actually a lot more unsatisfactory if you're interested in facts. Of course the rate of locked threads will be much lower in other forum sections. Why would threads in "Servers", "Bug Reports" or "Modding" be closed? Criticism of the company will happen in the main forum. "Survivor Stories", just btw, only has 12 threads, not 50, so the actual math... Well, now that I look at it more closely, 22 posts out of 400 is not 4%, but 5.5%. The "formular" is

closed threads * 100 / total threads

And with that one forum only having 12 threads, the correct math would be

22 * 100 / 362 = 6%

Anyway, you may feel free to provide a sampling that is more to your liking, as always, I was simply being objective.

 

[Jedo]

That's why my methodology is better than just looking at a few recent pages. The bigger the sample, the more meaningful the result, right.
Because you don't like the outcome. Would I use the whole forums of the other games, the result might even be... "worse"? The percentage of closed threads in those other games' forums might be even lower.

Anyway, you may feel free to provide a sampling that is more to your liking, as always, I was simply being objective.

You say funny things.

I don't really care about the results or the conclusions. I just find it strange when people try to back up their position with "facts" or "logic" and they do so inconsistently (to say the least). That's why I didn't bother to comment on Sylen's work. Only when you clapped back with some supposedly "scientific" approach did I care to interject. You had a selective sample which neither was random (and therefore not free from your bias) nor representative (since the first fifteen pages are the most recent posts and therefore the most likely not to have received mod intervention). When you come up with a better methodology for comparing other games with 7dtd, feel free to let me know.

 

[DaVegaNL]

You say funny things.
I don't really care about the results or the conclusions. I just find it strange when people try to back up their position with "facts" or "logic" and they do so inconsistently (to say the least). That's why I didn't bother to comment on Sylen's work. Only when you clapped back with some supposedly "scientific" approach did I care to interject. You had a selective sample which neither was random (and therefore not free from your bias) nor representative (since the first fifteen pages are the most recent posts and therefore the most likely not to have received mod intervention). When you come up with a better methodology for comparing other games with 7dtd, feel free to let me know.

Out of curiousity; which one of these posts (Sylen's or Kubikus) do you consider to use a non-random and non-representative 'scientific' approach? I'm guessing neither, right? But you only replied to Kubikus' post, not to Sylen's.. how come?