PC Hardcore
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Jost Amman
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Hardcore players come in different mindsets: those who are reasonable and give suggestions like everyone else and then those who think the game has been ruined by TFP because it was much better "before".
The latter will start a subtle, passive-aggressive and long war against "the powers that be" to prove their point. They'll be in every thread, they'll "freely" give you their opinion on how bad things have turned for 7DTD in each and every topic. They were there At The Beginning after all... Oh! Good times when there was the crafting grid! Why did you remove it? ... And so on and so forth. They're the ones who will write a bad review about the game after playing it for hundreds or thousands of hours.
Another typical expression they use is "they dumbed down the game"! How many times I've read this I can't count.
Removed the crafting grid? They dumbed down the game!
Removed sticks and sharp stones? They dumbed down the game!
Put harvested materials directly in your pocket instead of having to pixel-hunt on the ground? Oh, horror! It's sooo gamey!
Can't be a crafting god anymore? They dumbed down the game!
Basically THIS type of hardcore player is the one I hate and they are not like other "normal" players and they DO think they are somewhat special since they spam their "opinions" over and over all around without regards for topic, netiquette or just plain common sense.
So... what are hardcore players gonna say about A19?
The latter will start a subtle, passive-aggressive and long war against "the powers that be" to prove their point. They'll be in every thread, they'll "freely" give you their opinion on how bad things have turned for 7DTD in each and every topic. They were there At The Beginning after all... Oh! Good times when there was the crafting grid! Why did you remove it? ... And so on and so forth. They're the ones who will write a bad review about the game after playing it for hundreds or thousands of hours.
Another typical expression they use is "they dumbed down the game"! How many times I've read this I can't count.
Removed the crafting grid? They dumbed down the game!
Removed sticks and sharp stones? They dumbed down the game!
Put harvested materials directly in your pocket instead of having to pixel-hunt on the ground? Oh, horror! It's sooo gamey!
Can't be a crafting god anymore? They dumbed down the game!
Basically THIS type of hardcore player is the one I hate and they are not like other "normal" players and they DO think they are somewhat special since they spam their "opinions" over and over all around without regards for topic, netiquette or just plain common sense.
So... what are hardcore players gonna say about A19?
beerfly
Colony Rounder
That we trust in what the Pimps do.So... what are hardcore players gonna say about A19?
beHypE
New member
Mhhhhh, just like some people get triggered by the word "hardcore", I kinda got triggered by you putting all the "dumbing down haters" in the same bucket.Hardcore players come in different mindsets: those who are reasonable and give suggestions like everyone else and then those who think the game has been ruined by TFP because it was much better "before".
The latter will start a subtle, passive-aggressive and long war against "the powers that be" to prove their point. They'll be in every thread, they'll "freely" give you their opinion on how bad things have turned for 7DTD in each and every topic. They were there At The Beginning after all... Oh! Good times when there was the crafting grid! Why did you remove it? ... And so on and so forth. They're the ones who will write a bad review about the game after playing it for hundreds or thousands of hours.
Another typical expression they use is "they dumbed down the game"! How many times I've read this I can't count.
Removed the crafting grid? They dumbed down the game!
Removed sticks and sharp stones? They dumbed down the game!
Put harvested materials directly in your pocket instead of having to pixel-hunt on the ground? Oh, horror! It's sooo gamey!
Can't be a crafting god anymore? They dumbed down the game!
Basically THIS type of hardcore player is the one I hate and they are not like other "normal" players and they DO think they are somewhat special since they spam their "opinions" over and over all around without regards for topic, netiquette or just plain common sense.
So... what are hardcore players gonna say about A19?
It's true some people just can't handle change, and have rose-tinted glasses when they reminisce the past. A lot of the "dumbing down" was good, like the log/planks/sticks removal, the universal scrap iron, etc...
That being said, there's arguably a lot of things that did get dumbed down, streamlined or flat out removed while the benefits are yet to be determined. The streamlining of gun parts, the fact you have literally no use for any part if it's not for a gun that belongs to the perk tree you specialized in, LBD for tasks that made sense (don't holla at me because needing to take damage to upgrade your armor was lame, it was and I acknowledge that), every second zombie turning into a sleeper leaving us with an
The game gets better and better with each iteration and I doubt many can deny that (maybe A17 is an exception), but that doesn't mean that everything is perfect and that some changes aren't doubtful to say the least. But i'll remember not to use the words "dumbed down" so I don't lose you as soon as you start reading some complaints.
Jost Amman
Well-known member
I never said everything is perfect or that every change is ok.Mhhhhh, just like some people get triggered by the word "hardcore", I kinda got triggered by you putting all the "dumbing down haters" in the same bucket.
It's true some people just can't handle change, and have rose-tinted glasses when they reminisce the past. A lot of the "dumbing down" was good, like the log/planks/sticks removal, the universal scrap iron, etc...
That being said, there's arguably a lot of things that did get dumbed down, streamlined or flat out removed while the benefits are yet to be determined. The streamlining of gun parts, the fact you have literally no use for any part if it's not for a gun that belongs to the perk tree you specialized in, LBD for tasks that made sense (don't holla at me because needing to take damage to upgrade your armor was lame, it was and I acknowledge that), every second zombie turning into a sleeper leaving us with anundead world, the removal of hub cities, plains biomes...
The game gets better and better with each iteration and I doubt many can deny that (maybe A17 is an exception), but that doesn't mean that everything is perfect and that some changes aren't doubtful to say the least. But i'll remember not to use the words "dumbed down" so I don't lose you as soon as you start reading some complaints.
My point is not that feedback (by anyone) is good or bad for whatever <insert reason here>.
My point is that some people (more often than not the so called hardcore players) keep spamming their opinion over and over.
Obviously, people think their opinions are "right", they would be foolish to have an opinion they don't believe in.
The problem is when they keep pushing their opinion as a fact or just keep repeating it over and over spamming the forums.
Without question there are a few people on any forum that misuse it for one-man crusades. We could call them evangelists if you need a catchy name. And naturally all other forum users have less tolerance for such opinion spamming when the message is different to their own opinion.
So it always looks like the other group is doing this mostly. If you are not a hardcore player, you notice mostly hardcore players doing it, while if you are a hardcore player you will spot mostly non-hardcores doing this annoying preaching. But I'm sure you also know a lot of hardcore players that don't get on your nerves. So redefining "hardcore" to be just the annoying hardcore players makes no sense (even if you could prove that more hardcore players are also evangelists than non-hardcores).
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Guppycur
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Well let's see ... There's now a giant "dig exactly right here" sign for digging quests, your spears glow when on the ground, and even the "hidden" satchel in a poi quest glows or something. Oh, and for those who like perks/skills (I don't) they removed what, 2 levels?
So we will probably say "they dumbed down the game".
And as far as us being repetitious, it's because tfp dumbs down the game every alpha, AND, it's a forum designed to allow us to express our opinions.
But hey, if you're only interested in adam's poor grammar, mechs deleted posts or snows sexual innuendos, madmoles success story or people's mods, there's plenty of that too.
Something for everyone.
Tweaker is what I call him. Definitely has that meth vibe.
ParadiseLostUK
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Laz Man
Fun Pimps Staff
The problem with both sides of the fence is they love to use their labels (e.g. haedcore vs casual, dumbed down vs robust/detailed) and it rubs alot of being the wrong way and this is what usually turns the conversations from healthy discussions to all out arguments / flame wars.
Although I agree with many of the observations that you stated, you will lose most people by implying a negative connotation to the label "Hardcore."
I prefer the words "streamlined" and "simplifed" to some of those changes. Some of which makes sense objectively if the devs want specific activities to take a specific amount of time (e.g. 4 game hours vs 16)
Why is this importamt? For example, most people probably dont find it enjoyable to dig for buried supplies in a mountain for 16 game hours.
This is of course is a moving target and I hope the new telemetry software will help tell them objectively where additional streamlining/simplification is needed.
In regards to nav beacon for hidden stashes, im with you on that one. That one might be too much guidance for my personal tastes.
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Jost Amman
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I see you are apparently trying to twist my words to justify, what?, unacceptable behavior of forum spammers?
... please read my post again and tell me the part where I said hardcore players shouldn't state their opinions.
No one said people can't have opinions or that they can't express them on the forums, exactly the opposite.
But, as I said (and I'll repeat here once more for your benefit) most of those hardcore players who think their opinion is "the right one" often literally start spamming the forums (here and on Steam) with a stunning stubbornness and time commitment that is border line OCD.
If that's what you think the forums are for then I'm happy you're not a moderator lol :-]
Laz Man
Fun Pimps Staff
Not sure what your implying...maybe be more direct so it's clear. It's too early in the morning to read your mind and I'm not about to start making assumptions.
Edit: or send me a PM...
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MechanicalLens
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You're right. We all have more pressing issues to deal with. Like who stole my apple pie from my fridge in the middle of the night... Was it any of you, hmm? Well... it could have been me... I've been known to execute tasks while I'm not around to do them...I generally just only read posts with orange names. But I was a little bored earlier and damn...
If this is the worst you have to deal with in life... you all need to STFU and be thankful. I say this with love and respect.
Guppycur
Well-known member
Uh, you're twisting words, not me. I never said or even implied you said hard core people can't have opinions. I merely answered your concerns about people being repetitious, and offering an explanation as to why.
Forums are for offering opinions and sharing experiences; if you find the opinions tedious to read or too repetitious for your taste, there are a number of ways you can alleviate your discomfort.
/also happy I'm not a moderator... what was your point?
That wasn't actually for you, it was for those who don't seem to understand what forums are for.Not sure what your implying...maybe be more direct so it's clear. It's too early in the morning to read your mind and I'm not about to start making assumptions.
Edit: or send me a PM...
It's definitely first world problems.I generally just only read posts with orange names. But I was a little bored earlier and damn...
If this is the worst you have to deal with in life... you all need to STFU and be thankful. I say this with love and respect.
MechanicalLens
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Given what I have regretfully started here, I'll be taking a period of absence from the forums for a while. Fun Pimps, all responsibility falls onto me, not anyone else.
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Aldranon
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Its always been a battle between the Hardcore verses the... what? Softcore? Rottencore?
OK Rottencore it is!
Now, of course you will hate hardcore people when you're a dirty Rottencore. Nobody likes rotten cores anyway.
Maybe they have no core? No core values, empty as a tomb...
Hope this helps!
***At the new Al's Marina (down the road from PAL's Marina which will soon be firebombed) we don't care what cores you have or don't have. If you got caps, you're as good as gold!
OK Rottencore it is!
Now, of course you will hate hardcore people when you're a dirty Rottencore. Nobody likes rotten cores anyway.
Maybe they have no core? No core values, empty as a tomb...
Hope this helps!
***At the new Al's Marina (down the road from PAL's Marina which will soon be firebombed) we don't care what cores you have or don't have. If you got caps, you're as good as gold!
