Here's an idea for getting rid of level gating, while keeping things balanced. Get rid of the player level requirement for attributes, but make each level of an attribute cost more skill points than the previous level. Keep individual perks cheap like they are now. This would allow people to work towards certain specializations earlier, at the cost of being gimped in other areas. I'd also like to see costs and points given per level increased, with the ability to "refund" attributes and perks for half of their acquisition cost. This would allow players to respec at a price. Thoughts?
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RestInPieces
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Had thought of incremental costs for attributes but I am not convinced that players won't spread attributes as much as they can because of them and get many lvl1-2 perks at a point, insteal of, for example, getting the fifth point of an attribute (that won't happen with intelligence as it is the most essential). Maybe if the perk benefits were slightly incremental as well (besides the last rank which is very compelling).
Viktoriusiii
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Sadly, TFPs ignore all and every proposal to improve their system.
They made that clear in the last few alphas. They have a vision in mind and do not stray away from it.
No matter if ppl tell them, that the current way is badly designed.
And even if they accept the votes cast in the poll, they will still try and gimp the player to a point, where it feels necessary to grind. Making 7d2d not fun, but work.
Things like a forge (which can be found even on lvl 1 so why even take away the freedom to settle in a poi that you like?)
and things like limbs only exploding once you level it is BS. Fun should never be locked away.
My offer STILL stands to offer all my advice, for free, without any obligation, just to get this game on the desired path, without completly gimping the player and taking their fun away.
Incremental costs are nice, but should not be overdone! You already dont have enough skillpoints to level everything (or need to be lvl 300 to get all dunno). I want to be able to have my desired skill (only that one) maxed by lvl 40-50, probably even earlier.
There are so many perks that are useful and if I ignore them for 5% more dmg with the sledgehammer, I at least want to be able to do so without beeing told "no".
They made that clear in the last few alphas. They have a vision in mind and do not stray away from it.
No matter if ppl tell them, that the current way is badly designed.
And even if they accept the votes cast in the poll, they will still try and gimp the player to a point, where it feels necessary to grind. Making 7d2d not fun, but work.
Things like a forge (which can be found even on lvl 1 so why even take away the freedom to settle in a poi that you like?)
and things like limbs only exploding once you level it is BS. Fun should never be locked away.
My offer STILL stands to offer all my advice, for free, without any obligation, just to get this game on the desired path, without completly gimping the player and taking their fun away.
Incremental costs are nice, but should not be overdone! You already dont have enough skillpoints to level everything (or need to be lvl 300 to get all dunno). I want to be able to have my desired skill (only that one) maxed by lvl 40-50, probably even earlier.
There are so many perks that are useful and if I ignore them for 5% more dmg with the sledgehammer, I at least want to be able to do so without beeing told "no".
Khulkhuum
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I think you people forget that A16 was also grindy in some aspects, with specific skills not really being used in 95% of cases. Add to that level requirements or general skill requirements before you upgrade specific skills (like better dismemberment with knives at higher levels required appropriate knife usage skill, better looting skill on higher levels required appropriate looting skill, etc).
You all forget how so many things were locked away in A16 behind various mechanics... Now there are different things "locked" for specific reasons and everyone has a fuss...
You all forget how so many things were locked away in A16 behind various mechanics... Now there are different things "locked" for specific reasons and everyone has a fuss...
HerrKingsley
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@Khulkhuum a lot of people where against it when it was introduced as well. Problem now is that you get it on one of the key items for builders.
Making the game more gindier for that playstyle than looter / zombie killer.
Basically pure builder playstyle starts after lvl 20 without it being a chore.
That would be like having to be lvl 20 before you got any xp from zombies.
Or not being able to enter POIs before lvl 20.
Making the game more gindier for that playstyle than looter / zombie killer.
Basically pure builder playstyle starts after lvl 20 without it being a chore.
That would be like having to be lvl 20 before you got any xp from zombies.
Or not being able to enter POIs before lvl 20.
HerrKingsley
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Not true!
You can't by playing pure builder. Except if you only gather plantfiber for the first 7days.
HerrKingsley
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I know. And I pointed out that that's why builders see it as a problem since they have to go and kill zombies before being able to build key item for builder plays style. Like grinding trees to get access to power attack...sound fun to you?
OzHawkeye
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Hopefully, TFP will eventually be able to expand the XML options so that players could mod in their own systems. Personally, "learn by doing" is my favourite, if it can be figured out in a way that's not grindy, and I hope eventually in Gold to be able to implement some system for that, or gratefully use a mod that does the same.
HerrKingsley
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If that would happen when a17 is going stable I would be a happy happy fan again. Modding it to a13 (my personal favorite) or atleas back to a16 would make a17 a blast to play!
HerrKingsley
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Is that possible? I wouldn't mind.
SnowDog1942
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I charge 2 dollar to make you holler. :strawberry:
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Yea Battlefield 5 would be great if I could just mod it to Battlefield 1. Or.. I can play Battlefield 1.. hmmmmmmm
Viktoriusiii
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Well "everyone else" might not have either the time or the endurance to really think about it. They might not have the right background or they simply go by what they think is most fun. But sure. Ridicule me for offering to fix your broken game ^_^ thats fine as well! And its free as well.
*edit* its not a "I'm better then the others" statement but a "I have time and the willingness to help, but you guys keep ignoring everything I say so I make that offer in a last attempt to get you to notice" which you did... even though not in the preferred way.
*editedit* What I want to say is, that you guys keep ignoring nearly everything the community says and its frustrating as hell. Not even a small "we are considering it" or "that wont be possible because x" like you did back in the early alphas.
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HerrKingsley
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Great analogy snowdog!
Next time pleas take some time and read through the thread instead of just making assumptions.
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Gazz
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We had tried incremental costs in A16.
All it did was making progression more complicated, not deeper.
Gaining a new level, then being able to buy nothing with that reward because you are still saving for that one special OP perk - that's no fun.
We have toyed with many different approaches and ideas, like picking one core attribute and everything in "other" attributes costs 2 points. In the end we went with letting players decide what they want to do or be.
All it did was making progression more complicated, not deeper.
Gaining a new level, then being able to buy nothing with that reward because you are still saving for that one special OP perk - that's no fun.
We have toyed with many different approaches and ideas, like picking one core attribute and everything in "other" attributes costs 2 points. In the end we went with letting players decide what they want to do or be.