PC Game feels like its punishing me for levelling up

I guess what we really need a thread "Exploit, how intelligent a player is allowed to act until someone Screams "EXLOIT""

Is it allowed to put Cheese into a mousetrap ?

 
I brought up nerdpoling to the devs some time ago. They were against removing it outright. However, Gazz came up with an alternative. Gazz’s Solution was to give frame blocks the ladder ability so that zeds can follow you on up.
I quite like the idea and it would make them even more useful for building. :)

This was just idle chatter so not a promise of the future. Gossip.

Seems it could be an interesting mod if nothing else.
Doesn't sound like a bad idea at all... And yes it would make them even more convenient when building.

 
You just lost 3/4 of the readership... ;)
That is harsh. I have a girlfriend. My wife is mad about it but what are you gonna do?! ;)

I kid, of course. But as far as 7DTD goes, my wife and I regularly play together on a local network game but she's seen Alpha 17 and isn't ready to make the jump yet. Still on 16.4. A lot of what's been said in this thread is part of the reason.

 
So tell a "non-serious builder" - what can you do with nerd poling, that you can't do with ladders + scaffolding?
Nerd poling *IS* scaffolding, just temporary, quicker and more efficient. Yes you could do it with ladders but would take much longer and be much more annoying. Why would screw builders in that way by removing it?

You do understand that vehicles bugging out to max ceiling is not a pemanent game mechanic, yes?
lmao. You're so cute....

 
Looks like you didn't read the previous posts! We were discussing how we can exploit the zombies if they were allowed to climb wooden frames.The main discussion was about not removing nerdpoling altogether but possibly the idea of adding ability for zombies to climb wooden frames. The keywords are 'Wooden Frames'...
Oh. My. God. Just so you know, I read every ♥♥♥♥ing word of every ♥♥♥♥ing post in the threads in which I post. It's exhausting reading that much, especially because of all the idiocy that they contain.

Here is my point: If you have to create a Rube Goldberg machine to make it an exploit, then it isn't an exploit.* You just didn't like Roland's point that it isn't easily exploitable, so you tried to come up with a response to prove yourself right.

Edit: The "Rube Goldberg machine" description of shooting a gas barrel at the base of a frame stack was an exaggeration. I don't want you to get hung up on that and somehow think that my point is invalid because I exaggerated.

*The difference with the current AI is that it is fun to create RG machines to mess with the AI; but a simple ramp leading to a nerdpole will do.

 
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Nerd poling *IS* scaffolding, just temporary, quicker and more efficient.

scaffolding is a temporary structure on the outside of a building, made of wooden planks and metal poles, used by workmen while building, repairing, or cleaning the building
Making 1 block towers to reach something at a certain height and picking them up again, then doing the same for each side or every few horizontal meters, can barely be considered scaffolding. But for the sake of argument let's just say it is a form of scaffolding. Surely it is very practical at the time, but if you actually plan your scaffolding (1 vertical pathway and a few horizontal at different levels that stay there until your structure is complete), constructing and editing your builds can become even easier especially when it comes to very large structures. I used to do this all the time in Minecraft where it was much more impractical to create 1 block towers because you had to destroy them afterwards, so it has become a habit. Definitely not having any problems building this way in 7DTD and I can't see why anyone would have any.

But nevermind that.

Yes you could do it with ladders but would take much longer and be much more annoying
So you are verifying what I said above - that there is nothing you can do with nerd poling, that you can't do with ladders. It's just a matter of convenience (and not having to plan).

lmao. You're so cute....
Stop it, you'll make me blush..

The thing is I don't consider nerd poling harmful to the game when it comes to building. Convenience is great. I only consider it harmful when it comes to exploring/gameplay because it is a cheap way to avoid dangers as demonstrated above and a cheap way to almost instantly reach skyscraper roofs (which is silly by all accounts and akin to vertical flight).

 
This game has so many exploits, nerd pole is the least worry.

More concerning with nerd poling is that you can continue jumping when stamina is at 0. So while I am all for nerd polling, I would like to see its use slowed by the logical step of not allowing jumps when stamina = 0 or at least the jump is not a full block high.

There is actually 0 real reasons to build your own base in this game because of exploits:

1. For "home base", simply take over one of the large apartment buildings or a hotel POI's. Build on the top floor or roof. Make sure to put down claim block at ground floor. Zombies will not spawn and will not agro your heat sources up top any more(because so many meters off the ground)

2. Horde night - Drive around in minibike or higher vehicle all night. For horde nights before you can build a minibike(should only be 7 day horde), simply take over a brick structure POI, knock out stairs, be on roof.

To me, these are the bigger concerns than being able to nerd pole.

 
This game has so many exploits, nerd pole is the least worry.More concerning with nerd poling is that you can continue jumping when stamina is at 0. So while I am all for nerd polling, I would like to see its use slowed by the logical step of not allowing jumps when stamina = 0 or at least the jump is not a full block high.

There is actually 0 real reasons to build your own base in this game because of exploits:

1. For "home base", simply take over one of the large apartment buildings or a hotel POI's. Build on the top floor or roof. Make sure to put down claim block at ground floor. Zombies will not spawn and will not agro your heat sources up top any more(because so many meters off the ground)

2. Horde night - Drive around in minibike or higher vehicle all night. For horde nights before you can build a minibike(should only be 7 day horde), simply take over a brick structure POI, knock out stairs, be on roof.

To me, these are the bigger concerns than being able to nerd pole.
Just mentioned it because I kept seeing it in every post where people were talking about exploring POIs - it's like doors have become obsolete.

But you are absolutely correct. Both about jumping and about other obvious exploits/workarounds that seem to counteract the game's intended design. Some are shortcomings of in-development features like the AI and are more understandable and hopefully will be ironed out, but others are seemingly because of simple tweaks TFP chose not to make and that worries me.

 
This game has so many exploits, nerd pole is the least worry.More concerning with nerd poling is that you can continue jumping when stamina is at 0. So while I am all for nerd polling, I would like to see its use slowed by the logical step of not allowing jumps when stamina = 0 or at least the jump is not a full block high.

There is actually 0 real reasons to build your own base in this game because of exploits:

1. For "home base", simply take over one of the large apartment buildings or a hotel POI's. Build on the top floor or roof. Make sure to put down claim block at ground floor. Zombies will not spawn and will not agro your heat sources up top any more(because so many meters off the ground)
That no zombies spawn when a landclaim block is active is one of its functions and therefore desired by the developer. However, if it becomes inactive you will suddenly have zombies everywhere. So it is wiser to build your own base.

2. Horde night - Drive around in minibike or higher vehicle all night. For horde nights before you can build a minibike(should only be 7 day horde), simply take over a brick structure POI, knock out stairs, be on roof.
You should talk to Gazz from the developers. As far as I know he sees both as a valid survival strategy and not as an exploit.

I'm gonna tell you a good reason why you should build your own base and horde base. It's fun and you can be creative.

And that's a much better reason than forcing people to do it by cutting off all other possibilities.

 
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It’s funny how you guys are battling about “exploits” in a single player game.

If somebody wants to “spoil his fun” using “exploits”, so go ahead. Drive around on horde night with the mini bike? Do it. Who cares? Other people like to fight them. That’s also ok.

It’s all about choice. And with every so called “exploit” being removed, the game is less fun.

Multiplayer is another story but PVP isn’t working well anyway so again: who cares.

 
It’s funny how you guys are battling about “exploits” in a single player game.
If somebody wants to “spoil his fun” using “exploits”, so go ahead. Drive around on horde night with the mini bike? Do it. Who cares? Other people like to fight them. That’s also ok.

It’s all about choice. And with every so called “exploit” being removed, the game is less fun.

Multiplayer is another story but PVP isn’t working well anyway so again: who cares.
I couldn't have said it better.

 
That no zombies spawn when a landclaim block is active is one of its functions and therefore desired by the developer.
And fragtzack never said otherwise. He just described a situation that can be resolved in a manner of ways that don't involve changing the function of the block. Why must the obvious be explained?

However, if it becomes inactive you will suddenly have zombies everywhere. So it is wiser to build your own base.
How can it become inactive? (Legit don't know, never use them)

You should talk to Gazz from the developers. As far as I know he sees both as a valid survival strategy and not as an exploit.
That is sad to hear, didn't know he saw it like that. I would consider it a valid strategy as well, if vehicles and gasoline were rare and valuable.

I'm gonna tell you a good reason why you should build your own base and horde base. It's fun and you can be creative.
The word "fun" can have a myriad different meanings for each one, so it really doesn't say anything in terms of substance. Creativity is and should be part of the game but if you think it is the only part that should be involved in the game's normal mode, you have normal and creative mode confused and, no offense, but creative might suit you better.

And that's a much better reason than forcing people to do it by cutting off all other possibilities.
All other possibilities need not be cut - that's a very one-dimensional way of thinking. What the people you argue with want, are choices of substance in place of exploits aka choices with no substance.

It’s funny how you guys are battling about “exploits” in a single player game.
If somebody wants to “spoil his fun” using “exploits”, so go ahead. Drive around on horde night with the mini bike? Do it. Who cares? Other people like to fight them. That’s also ok.

It’s all about choice. And with every so called “exploit” being removed, the game is less fun.

Multiplayer is another story but PVP isn’t working well anyway so again: who cares.
I couldn't have said it better.
You either just don't get it or you don't care enough to get it. I'd wager the latter. I won't explain for the 100th time how games are consisted by rules and how every statistic, mechanic, number like health is a rule from which the game consists of because it isn't a pure sandbox. I won't explain how a solid framework of rules without a world filled with exploits actually creates more playstyle freedom by creating meaningful choices with weighted options for the player. Either look at my post history, or please, even if it doesn't concern your way of playing, try to think about it yourselves a little if you want to comment on it.

@Roland - once again, notice some characteristics here. Most debates/complaints seem to have a common element - a more "laid-back", creative approach that often clashes with exploit fixing or even the slightest of restrictions (the "my playstyle _insert_"). A "demiurgic" mode might have some merit (seriously, don't call it like that).

 
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I thought the only way for them to become inactive is if you place another land claim block somewhere else?

If it does so otherwise, that's a glitch and should be reported.

 
I thought the only way for them to become inactive is if you place another land claim block somewhere else?
If it does so otherwise, that's a glitch and should be reported.
That is how it's "suppose" to work. It's an already known issue and has been reported multiple times to the best of my knowledge.

 
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