PC Game feels like its punishing me for levelling up

[fragtzack]

Explosive bolts are pretty powerful on horde nights and green zombies....

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Finally got to high enough level to see what you guys are talking about and must say I agree with the OP: If every POI has a green army, kinda punishes the player and makes the game less fun.

 

[AlyssaFaden]

Yes, also agree with XP. We're lvl 100-120 ish now, but as much as 10-20 l;evels ago we started to have conversations along the lines of "do you want to do some POIs?"

"What, and get mauled by irradiateds? Think of the resource usage for a few crappy items at the end."

"Good point, screw that."

Around the mid-levels we honestly were EXCITED to find new POIs (love th enew POIs btw) and the concept of hunting through them and exploring them was insane fun: we WANTED to do the POIs, we WANTED to do the quests.

But it's seriously just not worth it now: we never talk about it anymore. POIs have got to the point where we (a) avoid them, or (b) alert the occupants and just let them come to us (while avoiding the larger, more deadly POIs).

Heck, even a singular cave had a dozen irratiateds in it ... but some crummy storage box with, like, a sandwich in it or something.

So, yeah, apparently we levelled beyond where POIs are worth it, which is kinda sad.

 

[RipClaw]

So, yeah, apparently we levelled beyond where POIs are worth it, which is kinda sad.

I only do POIs for quests now. The rewards are at least worth a little more than what you get from the POI but I limit myself to level 4 quests for the most part. At level 5 quests I only do fetch missions because the level 5 buildings are too big for clear missions for me as a single player.

What really interests me about POIs are the parts you get from the buildings when you dismantle the furniture with the wrench. For example in Navezgane there is a mansion on the top of a mountain with a laboratory underneath. I get about 1000 electrical parts and about 200-300 brass at each quest.

 

[Jackelmyer]

I only do POIs for quests now. The rewards are at least worth a little more than what you get from the POI but I limit myself to level 4 quests for the most part. At level 5 quests I only do fetch missions because the level 5 buildings are too big for clear missions for me as a single player.
What really interests me about POIs are the parts you get from the buildings when you dismantle the furniture with the wrench. For example in Navezgane there is a mansion on the top of a mountain with a laboratory underneath. I get about 1000 electrical parts and about 200-300 brass at each quest.

Wait are you wrenching fixtures and such?

 

[RipClaw]

Wait are you wrenching fixtures and such?

I wrench the beds, the brass lamps, the yellow valves on the pipes, and the computers in the lab. You get the most brass out of the valves on the pipes and the most electrical components from the computers. There is a room full of this computers.

After you start the quest all respawns and you can do this over and over again every time you start a quest in this house. Of course the zombies also respawns and you have to deal with them every time.

 

[cmwalker73]

I agree, My husband and I went and raided a hospital, we spent all day exploring it, used over 500 ammo and got very little return on our investment of time and bullets. Even the weapons cache near the helipad was disappointing.

 

[RestInPieces]

Btw, irrelevant, but why hasn't nerd poling become impossible. Do we really need nerd poling? I don't think we do. We definitely don't.

 

[HungryZombie]

Btw, irrelevant, but why hasn't nerd poling become impossible. Do we really need nerd poling? I don't think we do. We definitely don't.

There is only nerd poling if you acknowledge it. If your confident it does not exist it will not in your play through. Take the red pill.

 

[PoppaTot]

Btw, irrelevant, but why hasn't nerd poling become impossible. Do we really need nerd poling? I don't think we do. We definitely don't.

Nerd poling is essential for building in my opinion. Also, I like nerd poling lol.

 

[RestInPieces]

There is only nerd poling if you acknowledge it. If your confident it does not exist it will not in your play through. Take the red pill.

Nerd poling is essential for building in my opinion. Also, I like nerd poling lol.

Well I can build just as easily without it, but nevermind that. Let's talk about it. What do you like about nerd poling?

 

[Hek Harris]

What do you like about nerd poling?

I barely don't use it. Sometimes when I build, but never when I explore. On the other hand I use a lot of ladders... But I understand it's meaningful for people who need vast scaffolding (without building stairs)

 

[RipClaw]

Btw, irrelevant, but why hasn't nerd poling become impossible. Do we really need nerd poling? I don't think we do. We definitely don't.

I think if you are chased by a zombie bear or dogs you are glad if you can save yourself quickly with frames on a roof or on a wall.

I have often rescued myself from dicey situations with nerd poling and others may have had the same experience.

Sure, you can bypass the zombies in a house with nerd poling and get the treasure on the roof directly, but I can also do that with a ladder or by building me a staircase. Accordingly, it would be inconsistent to ban nerd poling and leave ladders or stairs in the game to prevent the player from doing something like that.

 

[fragtzack]

Nerd poling was never part of the stated goals nor has nerd poling ever been introduced as feature in any release notes.

Therefore, nerd poling does not exist.

:miserable:

 

[RestInPieces]

Accordingly, it would be inconsistent to ban nerd poling and leave ladders or stairs in the game to prevent the player from doing something like that.

Inconsistent? How so? Ladders require materials and cannot just be picked up again. They are not a free/instant way to move vertically. Using ladders is slower especially when blocks are in the way and costlier. Zombies path on ladders.

Ok 3 reasons to like nerd poling up to now:

scaffolding without building stairs

if you are chased by a zombie bear or dogs you are glad if you can save yourself quickly

bypass the zombies in a house with nerd poling and get the treasure on the roof directly

 

[RipClaw]

Inconsistent? How so? Ladders require materials and cannot just be picked up again. They are not a free/instant way to move vertically. Using ladders is slower especially when block are in the way and costlier. Zombies path on ladders.

Ladders are cheap. It only requires a litte bit of wood to craft them in your inventory.

And if you plan to loot a POI there is no need to hurry. You have all the time in the world to find a free way up and craft some ladders. You can also craft a hatch and set it on top of the ladder to prevent zombies from following you.

 

[PoppaTot]

Well I can build just as easily without it, but nevermind that. Let's talk about it. What do you like about nerd poling?

1) building the corners of buildings

2) escaping deep spaces without wasting time/resources

3) escaping off guard moments such as bears, radiateds, dog packs, ect

4) scaffolding

5) bypassing POIs that have cleared multiple times

Off the top of my head.

Edit:

6) retrieving lost vehicles at ceiling map

7) screen shots for my videos and discord

(dedicated server without DM)

 

[RestInPieces]

Ladders are cheap. It only requires a litte bit of wood to craft them in your inventory.
And if you plan to loot a POI there is no need to hurry. You have all the time in the world to find a free way up and craft some ladders. You can also craft a hatch and set it on top of the ladder to prevent zombies from following you.

"Ladders are cheap": Ladders are 200% more expensive than wood frames but wood frames are technically free since they can be picked up.

"You have all the time in the world to find a free way up":

if you are chased by a zombie bear or dogs you are glad if you can save yourself quickly.... I have often rescued myself from dicey situations with nerd poling

Sure.

"You can also craft a hatch and set it on top of the ladder to prevent zombies from following you.": Are they not able to hit it? Interesting...

 

[RipClaw]

"Ladders are cheap": Ladders are 200% more expensive than wood frames but wood frames are technically free since they can be picked up.

A ladder element costs 4 wood. I only need to cut down one tree to have enough wood to build all the ladders I need and even have some wood left.

"You have all the time in the world to find a free way up": Sure.

Maybe you shouldn't just rip a quote out of context. I wrote:

And if you plan to loot a POI there is no need to hurry. You have all the time in the world to find a free way up and craft some ladders.

Or do you assume that a zombie bear is constantly hunting you if you plan to loot a POI where the treasure is on the roof?

"You can also craft a hatch and set it on top of the ladder to prevent zombies from following you.": Are they not able to hit it? Interesting...

Apparently not. I've never experienced zombies breaking a hatch from below.

 

[PoppaTot]

This is another one those "If you don't like it, don't do it" scenarios. Don't want to nerd pole? Don't. That was pretty simple lol. Why do so many people care how others play?

 

[RestInPieces]

A ladder element costs 4 wood. I only need to cut down one tree to have enough wood to build all the ladders I need and even have some wood left.

It's only 50% more expensive (3), but it hardly matters. You say that now, having infinite free wooden frames that you only need to craft once. But if you want to use ladders on each POI you visit, since you can't pick them up again, you will have to craft them each time and the resources will add up.

Maybe you shouldn't just rip a quote out of context. I wrote:

Nothing would change even if I quoted the whole paragraph. You make it sound like you have all the free time in the world to craft and place ladders (which you can't pick up), but on the other hand nerd poling has saved you from the occasional threat because "it's quick".

This is another one those "If you don't like it, don't do it" scenarios. Don't want to nerd pole? Don't. That was pretty simple lol. Why do so many people care how others play?

You give yourself too much credit if you think I care how you play.