PC Fortitude - Garbage for Damage

[Limdood]

4-players. Everyone wants everything crafted. It adds up.
Our group has already used about 5000 Steel Bars, I'd guesstimate. As the Miner I kept a fairly close eye on our consumption of Iron -> Steel. And we are on day 33.

If you're playing with 1 or 2 players, you have enough steel to craft the things you need (save maybe 4x4 or full steel armor) from traders, looting, and wrenching....maybe not EVERYTHING, but you shouldn't have everything.

If you're playing with a full 4 players, and someone isn't investing into INT to 10 as a priority....and then complaining that the amount of steel the game provides for scavenging isn't enough...I don't know what to tell you...

...wait...yes I do.

If you need some of something, use a workaround. If you CONSISTENTLY need a LOT of something, spec into it.

You want to make a couple steel mods, a single steel tool, maybe save up for a motorcycle? you can get the steel if you look for it.

You want to deck out a full 4 player team with top tier loot/mods/armor, or build a giant steel base? Then you need to get lucky on RNG or spec into int 10 engineering 5.

its the same for mining, looting, sneaking or fighting at max proficiency. You want to do it a little bit? make do. You want to do it consistently a LOT? spec it.

 

[theFlu]

Just to be clear, are there folks out there sitting thinking that a Crucible being locked behind Int 10 + Engineering 5 is OK?????

I'm one who'd say yes. For 'OK', not necessarily what I'd choose to implement - but as pretty much the best perk in the defensive game, it should be at the most expensive spot.

Would I swap it with, say, gating steel walls instead of Forged Steel (making forged steel around int 5-6 for the mod/tool crafting)? Quite likely.

EDIT: How to gate steel walls? For example, "Advanced Nailgun" or something more thematic, a "Welding torch"

 

[Limdood]

EDIT: How to gate steel walls? For example, "Advanced Nailgun" or something more thematic, a "Welding torch"

Or gate the recipe for "steel plating" for walls at Int 10. made with steel (which could be available earlier).

That being said, I'm also just fine with it being gated.

You can buy steel, you can loot or wrench steel, you can get RNG and get an early crucible/schematic, you can avoid using steel (don't need steel walls if they're not hitting the walls...a long approach sniping headshots straight down it works fine on everything up to demolishers...which in any of my solo games (max level 80) or co op games (both level 35) we have yet to see).

OR

If you really need steel, and need it in bulk because that is the must-have thing in your solo game, or your group is relying on large quantities of steel, then someone needs to perk into it.

I 100% agree with that game design direction.

 

[SenpaiThatIngnoresYou]

Or gate the recipe for "steel plating" for walls at Int 10. made with steel (which could be available earlier).
That being said, I'm also just fine with it being gated.

You can buy steel, you can loot or wrench steel, you can get RNG and get an early crucible/schematic, you can avoid using steel (don't need steel walls if they're not hitting the walls...a long approach sniping headshots straight down it works fine on everything up to demolishers...which in any of my solo games (max level 80) or co op games (both level 35) we have yet to see).

OR

If you really need steel, and need it in bulk because that is the must-have thing in your solo game, or your group is relying on large quantities of steel, then someone needs to perk into it.

I 100% agree with that game design direction.

Or, you can use concrete walls instead, with a normal block center, and a plate on the outside AND inside and have three thick walls that take up the space of one and a half blocks and are cheaper to repair. For extra shenanigans you can have a pole cage inside the base, so that you can still fix the interior plate and fight off breaches at the same time from the inside.

As for melee in alpha 18, the baseball bat is amazing, especially if you have read all the books associated with it.

 

[Scyris]

Or, you can use concrete walls instead, with a normal block center, and a plate on the outside AND inside and have three thick walls that take up the space of one and a half blocks and are cheaper to repair. For extra shenanigans you can have a pole cage inside the base, so that you can still fix the interior plate and fight off breaches at the same time from the inside.
As for melee in alpha 18, the baseball bat is amazing, especially if you have read all the books associated with it.

Makes me sad sledge doesn't have a book series but then again they are pretty much the best melee weapon hands down so, I kinda see why it lacks one.