No one is asking for a sharp stick fest, we're asking for balance and consistency. You can make a fun and complex mechanic user friendly, and the best evidence of that is your new ISS system.
The way I see it, what Madmole said is that you can have fun in 7D2D doing lots of "survival" things, but should food be one of the main ones?
That "want to compensate by" is pure imagination on your part. The reason given for the change was that random puking was found wanting as a detriment for eating bad food.
Oh. Does that mean the INT player will get a lawn blower?
I think food system definitely has a place, it dictates how you play the game. If you are low on food supplies you change your decisions to food focused rewards, you proritize animals over zombies, you loot kitchens instead of skipping them. Animals fight back and kitchens have threats in them. They are not directly connected to fighting, but they direct you to fighting.
Learn by doing wasnt good, it was just a grind. Perhaps having quest requirements to advance to higher skill tiers could work though, like craft a stone axe then you can get tier 2, where you need to craft a hammer before you can progress to tier 3, but grafting 500 steel axes to get a t5 axe just isnt fun.The reason random puking wasn't well received was because of how it was implemented, not that it existed. Like a lot of TFP things (*cough*LBD*cough*) the implementation gets screwed up and they just scrap the entire thing rather than making it better.
What if food poisoning was done like infection? You got sicker and sicker *until* you puked? What if it occurred on things that made sense for you to get sick on, instead of things that didn't make sense?
What if creating a thousand stone axes didn't give you the ability to make concrete, but instead only made you really good (at a cap) at making stone axes?
See? Things can be done better, without scrapping it entirely.
I cannot stress enough how true this is. I don't know how many alphas it's been that I end up never grabbing bottles of water, for example, that I find in kitchens. It's an absolute waste of inventory space. In a zombie apocalypse, the player who is supposed to be a survivor would rather NOT take the frigging water.
How many? Dozens? Hundreds?
Umm... You're assuming all the other people who play 7dtd don't have the same sentiment, which is something we don't know, but there's quite a decent chance that the actual number isn't insignificant if there's already a debate over food in just this very thread. So yes, my point against his statement that "no one cares about food" still stands, because it's just not true.
I wish they had their tracking software from a10 or so, so they could really get a feel for what people like and dislike... because your argument can be used against you as well.
Correct. Who's to say this isn't a good sampling representation of that group? Hell, if anything, people who post here are *more aligned* towards liking the game, since they've taken the time to join a forum and speak their minds...
At one studio I worked for, they told us, repeatedly, that "You are not the player!" i.e. that we didn't play games the way typical gamers do, we don't need tutorials the way neophytes do, we don't stare dumbfounded at confusing UIs the way laypeople do, we don't struggle to learn how best to navigate complex skill trees, we aren't new tot the idea of minmaxing in any game with stats, etc.
You're the one assuming too much here. You see complaints that agree with what you're complaining about, so you see agreement. But that's confirmation bias at play.
I agree. I'm not saying the other opinion is necessarily correct either. I'm just saying that a vocal minority isn't sufficient to make a representative sample.
It's the only sample we have. <shrug>
Using an invalid sample because it's your only sample isn't good reasoning.
Yes, they could have but where does that fit with the rest of their design? It's easy to pick one or two examples of how you would of done it versus creating a design for how you would do it all...The reason random puking wasn't well received was because of how it was implemented, not that it existed. Like a lot of TFP things (*cough*LBD*cough*) the implementation gets screwed up and they just scrap the entire thing rather than making it better.
What if food poisoning was done like infection? You got sicker and sicker *until* you puked? What if it occurred on things that made sense for you to get sick on, instead of things that didn't make sense?
What if creating a thousand stone axes didn't give you the ability to make concrete, but instead only made you really good (at a cap) at making stone axes?
See? Things can be done better, without scrapping it entirely.
This particular subject, which is the whole food dilemma, isn't something new. It's been brought up many times before, and every time there's been people from both sides arguing about it. There was a poll about food spoilage at one time. The point is that it doesn't just happen in the forums, it happens in other media such as the Steam forums as well. If the issue was truly as small as you seem to think it is, it wouldn't be such a heated debate in every alpha. Why should it be ignored?
That won't be an issue anymore as the telemetry software will tell them objectively and won't have to rely only on subjective opinions.
Dude, as many times as they changed their own design, major changes too, is "their design" really relevant?
