Both you and Benjiro are being extreme. You do not represent the playerbase. You just happen to be loud and persistent. By giving the devs zero credit for the compromises they’ve made and by being unwilling to meet them partway you really damage your own credibility.
Takes a bow to your answer Roland... You know that little point that a lot of other people pointed out. Discredit the players who do not agree ...
My credibility is open to see... I posted several system over the years for fixing issues. Going back to Craft Spamming, Underground solution(s), Perk fixes, Content scaling issues etc. But hey, you know, i am a extremist it seems, he Roland.
Issues that bugged the developers, did not bug the community in the same extend. Issues that had minor solutions got ignored for complex solutions. But i am also a developer Roland, so i know the mess projects can become. And its easy to see they had the "itch" as we like to call it. The itch to rewrite a lot of code they simply did not like anymore. Because their own vision of the game changed over time and part of that was: How do we make the game uniform. This is much easier to develop ( i know ). But in doing so, you also cut out part of what made the game more unique. And this is what the Pimps do not seem to understand.
In this same topic, i posted the experience of my brother in law with this exact same game ( and no, he has not written any negative review ). The points where he was struggling with. Does this also count as being extreme? No ... you ignore that because it fits your narrative of negative trolls posters who are out of burn the game down.
TFP was dead set on not adding extra options until gold or at least beta but they listened to the playerbase and reconsidered. But because they haven’t given in to ALL your demands you still can’t say anything good.
Being honest ... If they left the game at A16.4 and released it with some patches. And later doing DLCs, might have been better for them. And this let modders solve issues. Nobody asked for this massive change in the XP system, especially mod authors who are now struggling with the new system.
I remember mod authors begging for fixes like the menu lag and yet, every Alpha this got ignored. Sure, you can ignore players but when you also ignore mod authors complaints, then what?
And check my history, i do mention good things about A17. Unfortunately, they get overshadowed by the more radical changes.
Benjiro calls it a ploy and tries to paint the developers as con artists hoping to dupe the players into shutting up without “fixing” anything and you admit that you do hope they fail.
Please point out where i admit that i hope they fail. Because if you read this in my text, you are dead wrong. I do NOT want the developers to fail, because that means 7D2D is simply dead. That is not to any advantage for me or other people who complain.
Maybe at times i get too negative, because every change we see simply keep putting paint on the issue and not actually solving it.
The changes they are making are not fixing the core issues of the game Roland, its like putting paint over a rusted car. Sure, it looks great until you drive it for longer then 5 minutes. Those changes are easy to see that it can not solve the balancing and content issues.
But one thing i learned a long time ago, is at time you NEED to kick the developers in the behinds. Because they really have the habit of not being happy with X, and then reworking it to a totally new system that only half works. When people pointed out solutions for X. As even the Mod authors solved it this way.
This is beyond the point of giving constructive negative feedback and way into the zone of antagonistic burn the world motives.
Said the Moderator who had no issue attacking several big mod authors for disagreeing with the game direction.
In both polls I did about A17 the actual polls showed that the majority enjoyed or were ambivalent toward A17. Only a small portion voted that they outright hated it. Yet, if you went through and read all the posts they were by far mostly negative. If you looked closer it was the same several people repeating themselves over and over and over.
Roland, ... i read those same polls. You had a almost 50/50 score. If you only want to count the people who hate it, sure, you get a minority and you can claim its 80% that like A17. But it was not. If you only counted the people who loved A17, i can claim that 80% hated it. Twisting things to meet your end does not change the fact that A17 is definitely not as beloved as you claim it is. Nor is it as bad or horrible as i claim it is. A17 has good things going for it but its those 2 or 3 major changes, that changed the game in such a way, that it lost its soul, that is what angers a lot of people.
And regarding the posts on this forum. You state its the same people repeating / being negative but do tell, how can those same negative people keep voting 7D2D down on Steam? They can not ... Just as you only want to see the positive and claim only a few negative people keep reporting, you are ignoring that a lot of people who are negative, never express this on this forum.
People who are happy play the game and don’t spend nearly the time posting about how much they love it. So they are vastly under represented in reviews and forum posts. This forum does not represent the playerbase but what it does clearly show in those two threads is that angry hating people will always dominate the conversation even when the more silent majority are those who feel love, like, meh, or dislike for an update.
See above.
The reasonable reader will recognize that TFP is listening to their playerbase and making compromises and options available to please many many more who initially were unhappy. The haters who will never be satisfied unless TFP gives in to their every demand can safely be ignored because they do NOT represent the playerbase.
The pimps can not give into people their demands simply because they made a mistake. Nobody asked for this XP/Perk system, this was a decisions they made themselves. Now they are trying to fix issues by putting paint over it and you call this "TFP is listening to their playerbase". I call this being stubborn and unwilling to admit they messed up.
I want to again thank the OP and all others who have given constructive criticism without insult or accusation. It is because of you that TFP is looking for ways to be as inclusive as possible as they move forward with development. They have been reading these forums, Steam reviews, Facebook, Twitter, and watching streams.
Good for them. And we can only hope that in the future when they want to make radical game changes, they first poll the community before pushing out massive changes like this.
I hope that 7D2D recovers from this and goes back to its core. But if you really think i am too negative, i will refrain from posting here anymore. This will probably make you very happy, one less critical voice. But if you think this solves anything, it does not. As we see with the negative reviews and posts made by other people, this what you call negative minority seems to be bigger then you claim it is.
So please, prove me wrong how the Pimp will salved this mess. Have fun and a bye ...
