PC EMOJIGATE!!!!!!!

I see the emoji conspiracy theorists are out in full force today.
Really makes me wonder if the emoji menu is flat.
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There is need to send people in Space, we can sign them up. But anyway, enemy must be distracted for a win.

 
Wow you're stubborn.
You're missing the point. Sometimes is not how the message is delivered. It's the message itself.

I'm amazed that you guys needed a council to figure out that people would still miss announcements. Communication, in any quality or quantity is not infallible. Welcome to chaos friend. And life is splashed with a bit of it at all times.

What's annoying about your stance is that you're even comparing the communication on the topic with your schools announcements. What's also annoying is that you struggled with communication, as a council, and you still don't get that what you put in the message, or if a message is presented at all, can be the problem.

Whatever homie. You have your view, I have mine. peace out.
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Dude, you should've bugged out at "college".

It's not real life, it doesn't count...

[Edit] just to be clear, I'm referring to the post that yours was in response to.

 
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1. I do think a few forum users, or a lot of forum users, can cause enough of a bad image push back to impact the overall sales of the 7D2D products. The Emoji is only one reason that some people have a fair gripe with TFP. The Emoji bit is just another example of people refusing to learn that their actions have consequences and those consequences might be a few bad reviews.... or... they might culminate into a 5% dip in sales. Or... they may culminate into a much weaker Gold release. Why people are so hell bent on "I do what I want" while rolling the dice on how that plays out over something you love, is beyond me...
2. Game or not Game, business is business. And I did provide a business that tanked because of not giving appropriate consideration to their customer base.

3. If you think TFP is comparable to EA and can get away with anywhere near the level of crap EA get's away with, you're frankly high. Take a dip into the Steam universe and note all the games that went belly up. 7D2D isn't so big yet that it's not prone to the same possible fate.

4. How do you think No Man's Sky did on it's initial sales? They BARELY stayed alive. And how are they doing now? Much much better. Why are they doing better? Largely, because their actually paying attention to their player base now.

5. Two types of steam reviewers don't mean crap. And yeah, developers are always going to be at odds with pleasing everyone. It's not possible. Which is WHY you don't throw out stupid hoax drama. You've got enough problems to deal with. And it really only takes a small nudge to push any product into the Has Been Bin...

6. When the game goes to 1.0, who's going to be the first people to review the game? All those people you pissed off using their last and most ideal moment to stick it in the eye of a source that offended them.

I think overall we have two different views on what humans are and what makes products succeed and fail. *shrug* time will tell.

For what it's worth, I hope you guys are far more accurate than I...
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You are definitely correct that the long update cycle has an influence on ratings. But I doubt emojigate will ever have anything to do with it.

You say you provided a bussiness that tanked? I reread your post and still don't see it. Could you point me to it?

Re No Mans Sky: The ♥♥♥♥ storm was phenomenal, they even did vacate their company building for a while I think. But I'm very sure you are wrong on their sales. I noticed them being top seller on steam even though their pricing was fairly high at AAA-levels. I can't tell you any numbers anymore, but here's an old article about the release: https://gamerant.com/no-mans-sky-best-selling-steam-game/ . Someone with steamspy access might post the "actual" sales numbers a few weeks after release, I only see a line that say between 1 and 2 million copies sold.

 
You're missing the point. Sometimes is not how the message is delivered. It's the message itself.
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This is textbook moving the goalposts. You and I (at least) had exchanged a pair of posts about whether people were alerted sufficiently that the emojis meant nothing. For you to say that "it's really about" something else is dishonest. (I see that you have argued about that with others, and my one comment on the subject received no follow-up.)

Besides that, the message itself is "it's done when it's done," and that has been delivered in various ways. Furthermore, it has been delivered in those various ways precisely because the rage actually has been about the how rather than the what.

I'm amazed that you guys needed a council to figure out that people would still miss announcements. Communication, in any quality or quantity is not infallible. Welcome to chaos friend. And life is splashed with a bit of it at all times.
What's annoying about your stance is that you're even comparing the communication on the topic with your schools announcements. What's also annoying is that you struggled with communication, as a council, and you still don't get that what you put in the message, or if a message is presented at all, can be the problem.
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Nice ad hominem. That wasn't what the committee was for. Also, I brought up the committee because it directly related to the how of our discussion, a discussion which you now say you weren't interested in having. Fine.

Contrary to your belief, I do get that what you put in the message also is important. I completed most of a degree in PR before I changed my mind. For all your desire to separate the "how" from the "what," both are important. It's the former that you apparently don't understand is the problem here (and not one that rests with TFP).

The fact you had to state the meaning of something repeatedly, doesn't mean the delivery was the problem. It was the message.
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Case in point.

 
Wait people actually thought the emojis were some secret code?

With Roland saying on the day he created it "Lets see who reads too much into those emojis" i didnt think some of you were actively legitimately trying to decipher them.

LOL. And you guys expect Pimos to take ANYTHING you guys say seriously? Ah thanks guys, i needed a good laugh today.

Roland, put the countdown back up but put it at 2 and a half percent. For kicks.

 
same man i am really getting so pissed about there treating toward there fan base aster i don t know 2 months from this dumb emojs Troland came up saying this emojs means nothing so why did you make them at the first place
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he made the emoji to have fun are you not entertain?

im.

 
Wait people actually thought the emojis were some secret code?
With Roland saying on the day he created it "Lets see who reads too much into those emojis" i didnt think some of you were actively legitimately trying to decipher them.

LOL. And you guys expect Pimos to take ANYTHING you guys say seriously? Ah thanks guys, i needed a good laugh today.

Roland, put the countdown back up but put it at 2 and a half percent. For kicks.
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If you could use your brain you would know that some people might have missed what Roland said because his words are not on the top of the page next to these stupid emoji's. :distrust:

 
hm...

normally, Customers are King.

As far as i know it from companies i worked for, it was always this: Anybody in the company that trolls the king has to live under a bridge (gets fired, because in one way or the other it hurts sales. Has nothing to do with Bridge Trolls. well. even if that makes sense to me now....). Duh. that sounds like an episode of disenchanted....

The thing i don't understand is that Roland is still Forum Moderator, and that the Owners of the Company just let him do it. That was no marketing gag, that was no exaggeration like in no mans sky to increase the sales, that was just for "a chuckle" - a chuckle that impacts sales negativly, is the same sound that in my world gets people fired.

 
This is textbook moving the goalposts. You and I (at least) had exchanged a pair of posts about whether people were alerted sufficiently that the emojis meant nothing. For you to say that "it's really about" something else is dishonest. (I see that you have argued about that with others, and my one comment on the subject received no follow-up.)
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You seem to have missed my original post then.

Dude defending the whole Emoji thing is no bueno. Better to let this one burn out.
It was dumb to start out with. And the latest "reason for it all message" was even dumber.

It's not an early access or release date issue. It's a communication issue and an issue with being at least a smidge professional. We all know this forum isn't professional. But it is a representation of both TFP and 7D2D.

So some... Professionalism... Would be wise.
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Note the bolded text. Nothing dishonest. Again, you make my point just like most others have. Scrolling back doesn't seem to always happen does it? Even by the people arguing the details were always there...

And for whatever point I didn't address, perhaps I just missed it. Apologies. But I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Regarding the who what when where why and all the W's that go along with it... How and What are never really all that separate. I'm emphasizing the what, I've commented on the hows, and all of which, I've referred to as lacking thought or necessity.

And I have no idea what your case in point is referring to. But... I think I addressed all of your comments in this one. *shrug*

 
The thing i don't understand is that Roland is still Forum Moderator, and that the Owners of the Company just let him do it...that was just for "a chuckle" - a chuckle that impacts sales negativly, is the same sound that in my world gets people fired.
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It impacted sales negatively? I must have missed that part...

You seem to have missed my original post then.
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I didn't. You must have missed the part in the post that you just quoted where I said, "I see that you argued about this other thing with others." The point of those words was to say that my posts were not addressing what (apparently) was your main point. (Your main point has not been entirely clear over the course of your posts.) You did make comments, secondarily, about how people didn't know that the emojis were meaningless; and you pinned that on lack of proper communication. I rebutted that line of argument. *shrug*

Again, you make my point just like most others have. Scrolling back doesn't seem to always happen does it? Even by the people arguing the details were always there...
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*scrolls back* Nope, I definitely didn't argue anything along the lines that people need to scroll back or that they should scroll back or that if they scrolled back they would perfectly find their information. What I specifically said was that it doesn't matter where or how the info was posted, some still wouldn't get it. If Roland made a flashy pop-up happen every time people logged on and the pop-up told them the information, some still wouldn't get it.

I'm emphasizing the what, I've commented on the hows, and all of which, I've referred to as lacking thought or necessity.
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Your conclusion is where you and I disagree.

And I have no idea what your case in point is referring to.
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That you have assessed incorrectly where the problem is.

 
hm...normally, Customers are King.

As far as i know it from companies i worked for, it was always this: Anybody in the company that trolls the king has to live under a bridge (gets fired, because in one way or the other it hurts sales. Has nothing to do with Bridge Trolls. well. even if that makes sense to me now....). Duh. that sounds like an episode of disenchanted....

The thing i don't understand is that Roland is still Forum Moderator, and that the Owners of the Company just let him do it. That was no marketing gag, that was no exaggeration like in no mans sky to increase the sales, that was just for "a chuckle" - a chuckle that impacts sales negativly, is the same sound that in my world gets people fired.
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Same thought here, as a quick look at steam reveals, the reviews go down, it will not be the first and not the last game or even studio going down the drain because of bad steam reviews.

It is nothing I´m hoping for, but it sometimes just happens.

But Roland was successfull at least, he shifted from a communitymod to a troll with ease, come and get you a cookie.

If its not trolling just answer one question: why, for gods sake, didnt you just place an explain right below this emojis?

A person just as intelligent as Roland should have had known, that this will upset a part of the community even more. Just plain stupid nonsense done to a already divided fanbase...

I´m NOT entertained...just my ten cents

 
My thoughts on everyone complaining about the delays of this alpha is just the frustration that we want to play 7 Days but feel that we are so close that we don't want to make any progress just to have A17 released and lose our progress. Like everyone else I thought we had a fairly close date and was waiting patiently for the announcement, but now I think of the month I could have had with A16 would have been worth it. Then with every week that goes by I think well I could jump on a server and have some fun but.... what if next week it releases! no I'll wait, but then it doesn't come.
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(The following is not directed toward Captmiller; his post was just the catalyst.) I know others have said something similar before, but I don't understand this. I say that as someone who also stopped playing in anticipation of A17. Mine is not a desire to avoid my progress being wiped but a lack of desire to play with the soon-to-be-outdated version. I see the cool new stuff coming and I want only that. Of course, as much as I want to play A17, I don't stop playing games altogether. I've been beating Super Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild and the other major Nintendo Switch releases. I would drop all of that in a heartbeat for A17, but my whole world hasn't stopped just because I don't have it.

Here's hoping that in all of that my admission that I play console games doesn't disqualify me from this forum in some way.

Time will tell my friend. Agree to disagree perhaps?
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I'm not sure that time till tell that, but we can let it rest.

 
You, sir, have led a very sublime and sheltered life if emojis changing are the depths of maliciousness, elitism, and rudeness for you. You also don't pay very close attention as it was stated repeatedly by myself and others that the emojis were just for fun.
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What a professional way to respond. If only you could understand that, regardless of how many times it was said in the replies, people will MISS those comments because this thread has quite a bit of activity.

The proper way of ensuring that this would not have happened is by adding it as a disclaimer in the 'poll area' that the emoji has no correlation.

Just because you saw it as good fun, does not mean that people will do so the same way. They will see it as a hint because hints are given by developers from time to time.

Once again, I personally don't care about it turning out that the emoji is not linked to the development status, but what I do care about is that you seem to lack the ability to understand how this could've been picked up as a hint by people.

"I sAiD iT MuLtIpLe TiMeS iN ThE ThrEaD!" does not mean everybody will see it in a thread as active as this. Not that hard to understand.

 
The proper way of ensuring that this would not have happened is by adding it as a disclaimer in the 'poll area' that the emoji has no correlation.
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I thought that the words above the emojis were enough...

"I sAiD iT MuLtIpLe TiMeS iN ThE ThrEaD!" does not mean everybody will see it in a thread as active as this. Not that hard to understand.
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Were you conveying some sort of secret message there?

 
Can everyone STFU about emojis please?

It's exhausting trawling through all this garbage to even find a post worth reading these last couple of days.

As far as I am aware, Roland is the forum moderator right? Not a dev or programmer....?

So use your noggins people, put 2 & 2 together and stop coming up with 5.

Even if you have missed the multiple posts from Roland and others, saying there is no meaning in them. How on earth would he be able to give a running emoji commentary to every bug found and fixed? It just isn't feasible.

Jesus Christ, people are losing their minds on here!!

Buy another game and stop lashing out at Roland having a bit of fun. Be patient and wait!

 
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