And this is on Insane?
1 level below insane atm only because we have some people on server that don't want it. The difficulty level doesn't change the fact that its by far the fastest way to get brass and massively outshines any other way. I mean you can do non T5 quests too and still get a ton of brass that way as well, it doesn't even have to be T5.And this is on Insane?
Anyway you touched a nerve....I'm not doing Junk turrets. I consider them OP and broken. The fact that they do not hit players makes them an exploit in my eyes.
Oh and there is a major difference in fetch quests between "skipping directly to the satchel" by weaving though the enemies and working your way to it by fair means, and nerd-poling to the right floor and smashing straight in through an outer wall.
I'm in the same boat as well. I never do trader quests and I never convert my dukes to brass and I have tons and tons of brass. Although that might just be because my main weapon is a bow. Still though, if I was to use a gun as my main weapon, I believe I would still have tons of brass.
" to new players, whom then in turn will never buy the brass again and just smelt the tokens.
Perhaps you can mod it to suit your taste?My only issue is that it cost about 15 times more tokens to buy 1 unit of brass than it does to smelt it. Time can't be argued, since you'd have to smelt the brass you buy into the forge, anyway. Either 1:1 it, remove raw-brass from being sold, or increase the number of tokens needed to equal 1 brass in the forge. Otherwise, that brass in the trader's inventory is just there for no reason other than to say "gotcha
I wasn't disagreeing that it was the best way to get Brass, just trying to work our how you can do a T5 in less than a day. It takes us the entire day and we are armed to the teeth. Every room is a major battle. We often fire more ammo in a tier 5 clear than horde night. [Assuming we decide to fight the horde and not let the base mangle them].
It's nothing to do with tastes lol it's an oversight at best. 1 duke token = 1 brass in the forge. Or, 15 duke tokens from trader = 1 brass in the forge.
I don't know how this was overlooked. It is literally the first thing to balance. I never bothered to look because it should be a given. Just gonna bite my tongue and walk away.
It was easy to get in A16 and a17 too, just don't waste bullets stupidly. If your up against 1 or 2 zombies even ferals there is no reason to pull a gun out, just melee em down. Not using the smg turret is also a good way to save brass, as it does crap damage for how fast it eats ammo, compared to a perked player. Even in a16 I often had stacks of brass just sitting in storage as I had no use for it. Gunpowder is kinda the crutch now in a18, as it just crafts slow, yes multiple stations but sometimes you can't find that second set of beakers or ones for sale/in the world.
Yeah horde nights in a MP game with a party tend to cost exponetally more resources, due to the insane amount of zombies that will be coming. I'd stil be more worried about having enough gunpower to make those bullets.
It takes you 2 real time hours to clear a t5 clear quest with 3-4 people? how? I do it in 30 mins solo usually, 50 min max. Less if I don't waste time wrenching everything that I can. I use melee mostly a sledgehammer, and a unperked pistol usually as my poi raiding gun as I tend to have so much pistol ammo from loot I got nothing else to use it for. I play on warrior difficulty, as its a nice blend of risk+zombies not being bullet sponges. I also do not turret cheese, I only use junk turrets on horde night thats it, otherwise I feel they are pretty op and game breaking for how good they are even as a non-int build. If I was a Int build though i'd use the turrets a ton, as i'd be speced in them most likely. So far all of my games have been 0 int games. I get adv engineering lv 1, and when I find the nerd glasses, that sets my intel to 2, I get grease monkey 1, for a early game vehicle and ability to make wheels, since its rng if I find any vehicle schematic by then.
Ill check on other brass items in a bit, but that's the issue lol don't know why people are like "lul if joo want to change it go to da xml lul no nerfy game". Not a case of nerf, not a case of balance nothing to do with questing rewards, it makes zero sense to have brass for sale at a trader if you get 1500% more brass out of 1 token in the forge than buy 1 piece of brass at a trader. You can't do anything with raw brass but put it in the forge.
You forget that balancing is something tfp is quite poor at. I mean most of the melee weapons other than sledge and club are basically useless past mid game on nomad, and possibly earlier on warrior and up. Not to mention the smg still hits like a potatogun, it should do at least the same damage as the pistol does. Why you ask? there is a full auto mod now, could slap that onto a pistol and there you go a faster reloading smg that hits about 40-50% harder. I don't even bother with the smg, I just scrap or vendor them right away as its not worth using over a pistol at all.
Insane difficulty most likely. That's why it takes me an in-game day to clear the Shotgun Factory. Also the way we play the game, questing is very late-game activity for us. Our priority is very much to get our "horde killer" base complete by the day 28 or day 35 horde. Typically we do not quest AT ALL until that is achieved. And if by then we were not playing on Insane, we will definitely crank it up to Insane. So basically my experience of tier 5 clears is on Insane difficulty when our combined gamestage is approaching 1000.
Isn't that 4 tokens per brass (not that it's any better that way)? 10 brass for 40 dukes?
With the faucets in game, I think you're also better off Selling one instead of smelting it. That could make some sense since they're quite complex items, but of course materials-wise, not exactly sane .. those I can live with though, I just treat it as a deco, until they come up with an actual use for them
