PC Does TFP like to create S-storms?

There are plenty of people and organizations that practice game preservation. It's simply not in any of the big publishers or platforms interests. Why continue to keep an OG game preserved, when they can sell new versions of it every couple of years. Look at how many editions of Skyrim have been published. I myself have nearly the entire NES, SNES, SEGA, PSX, and PS2 library and I still play them as frequently as I play modern games. Possibly more frequently since modern games have become so homogenized that entire genres have disappeared. All of those consoles still work as well. I even have them archived and play them on emulators as well.  It's only modern consoles that seem to brick every other year. Games that do not have a physical release are doomed to nonexistence far quicker than any other type of published game. You also cannot preserve a game that checks in with a server whether it needs to or not if there is no longer am authentication server.

 
No matter what they do there's always going to be a certain number of people who  hate the changes and want to go back to the old way of doing things.

I hope that with next release we finally a snowstorm in the forest biome and that comes from somebody who hates getting rained on even when it doesn't really do anything for now

 
Hmm, this is fairly simple. If it's free, I'll download it. Otherwise I'm not touching it. Same with every other game out there. And that's not going to change my opinion of the game because I couldn't give two Fs about extra outfits. It's likely cosmetic, and even if it isn't, I still don't care.

Editing to say that, in general, I have no issue with developers who charge money for DLCs. That's their choice and if gamers find value in the content, more power to them if that's what they want to spend money on. Developers spent resources to make the content and deserve to benefit from that work. The only caveat I have is that the DLC should not be paid if it is part of base/promised gameplay features (in that case, it shouldn't be labeled as DLC at all). As far as I'm concerned, "outfits" are not a core gameplay feature of 7DTD and they already have stated that a new "wardrobe" system is coming in a future update that I don't believe was labeled as DLC.

This is not nearly as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.

 
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Arez said:
Ethics are subjective.
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Business ethics are social as they involve "employees, customers, society, the environment, shareholders and stakeholders" (actually, human beings all), not personal moral codes. The comparison of human beings to asteroids is...well, too absurd to approach, really. Not saying you're absurd, just the asteroid example. :)

Krougal said:
Everybody shouting about how bad corporate greed is or who think communism is such a wonderful thing (and let me tell you it ain't)
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Not getting into so-called "politics" here. As I specifically stated, you'll hear no such diatribes about ideologies from me. Politics as practiced today is a symptom of the dis-ease, not the dis-ease itself and proof positive in my sight of what Jean Gebser termed the deficient mode of the "mental consciousness structure." (Just in case anyone cares to read up on that, Gebser's magnum opus is titled 'The Ever-Present Origin'.) I'm convinced that it will take a transformation of human consciousness -- a leap in the maturation or evolution of the human species -- to resolve our "issues", a transformation or evolution of human consciousness that's always been in the works, is never complete and may very well abort, as Gebser warned. You can keep the attempted personal insults, of course. I say, attempted, because they failed. ;)  

 
meganoth said:
Cosmetic mini-DLCs are a practice that anyone from smallest indie developer to AAA does nowadays, generally the "front" of acceptable behaviour for games companies
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That's why I call into question the definition of "DLC". The idea that's been normalized among the public is that anything that has to be downloaded (and that's everything now) is "DLC." Downloadable content actually used to indicate substantive content, e.g. an expansion, sold for a fair and reasonable price. Now, it's just about any little old thing sold even for the price of complete games. I wouldn't expect a turn in public sentiment about video game "cosmetics" anytime soon myself. An awful lot of people actually use video games to try and escape from the horrors of the real world.

 
I’m okay with paid DLC, hopefully y’all are okay with a console player’s input, and if they offer a more things to build with DLC I’m definitely buying. For multiple reasons I love this game, I love to build, and it seems like from watching this game grow they’ve taken most of the money they’ve made and put it back into the game rather than pad bank accounts. No reason to think they wouldn’t do that with DLC money put it towards this game or 7 Days to Die 2. I’d be fine supporting that.

 
Roland said:
Why are you so bad at predicting supposed s-storms? I’m sure the reaction to outfit DLCs will be similar to the tempests in a tea kettle of “1.0” and “$44.99”. Even the s-storms of “lbd no more” and “empty jars bye bye” and “learn by reading” were just s-drizzles in the overall perception of the game. 
 

Will there be negative posts about the outfit DLC when it comes? Undoubtedly. All the people who don’t care will come to rage about it just like all the people who already owned the game came to rage about the price increase but it will be a drop in the overall bucket of players who will happily pay for the new outfits and make it a great success. A success storm. 
 

The people who will be the most angry are the PvPers who will call it a pay to win DLC but for the rest of the player base who play solo or cooperatively they’ll get it if they want it or ignore it as it won’t really matter how they compare with other players. 
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I mean I don't care if they add outfit dlcs, as long as it doesn't add stats and such, or effect the gameplay I can safely ignore it and not buy it. Does seem kinda shady how they removed the clothes system from a21.2 but now are going to add this. Now we kinda see why they removed it. Anyway, as long as the outfits has no stats, or any gameplay advantage I really don't care if they add them, If you don't like it just don't buy it, its that simple, and if it doesn't effect gameplay or char ability in anyway you can just ignore it. If they do add a special slot for it, you can expect modders to make free outfits that prob look far better anyway.

 
As long as the content is purchased from the Steam store while not playing the game I’m fine with it. I don’t like when things are sold in game. If the new outfits are shown in the trader inventories but greyed out since I haven’t purchased them, that will upset me. But if they simply don’t exist in the game until I buy them on the Steam store and install them then I don’t see anything wrong with it. The base game comes with a nice variety of outfits as is. 

 
thatguybeard said:
I’m okay with paid DLC, hopefully y’all are okay with a console player’s input, and if they offer a more things to build with DLC I’m definitely buying. For multiple reasons I love this game, I love to build, and it seems like from watching this game grow they’ve taken most of the money they’ve made and put it back into the game rather than pad bank accounts. No reason to think they wouldn’t do that with DLC money put it towards this game or 7 Days to Die 2. I’d be fine supporting that.
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If they add stuff that directly affects gameplay thats WHEN I have problem with dlc's. if its just block shapes i'll prob not care but if its stuff like a better cement mixer or something if you pay up yeah, thats a no go imo.

 
Scyris said:
I mean I don't care if they add outfit dlcs, as long as it doesn't add stats and such, or effect the gameplay I can safely ignore it and not buy it. Does seem kinda shady how they removed the clothes system from a21.2 but now are going to add this. Now we kinda see why they removed it. Anyway, as long as the outfits has no stats, or any gameplay advantage I really don't care if they add them, If you don't like it just don't buy it, its that simple, and if it doesn't effect gameplay or char ability in anyway you can just ignore it. If they do add a special slot for it, you can expect modders to make free outfits that prob look far better anyway.
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The new outfits are almost certain to have their own piece and set bonuses. I highly doubt they will just be cosmetic skins for existing outfits but I could be wrong. 
 

I can say that if they are simply visual alternatives I won’t buy them but if they are fully functioning outfits with bonuses I will. 

 
Roland said:
The new outfits are almost certain to have their own piece and set bonuses. I highly doubt they will just be cosmetic skins for existing outfits but I could be wrong. 
 

I can say that if they are simply visual alternatives I won’t buy them but if they are fully functioning outfits with bonuses I will. 
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I'd just mod them in, Not hard to edit a existing set and create a duplicate for the new bonus. Most of the sets look like crap imo anyway. I don't like the new armor sets at all.

if they do make them have bonuses that WILL cause a crap storm, as people hate that crap in DLC content. Especially if the set bonus is better than whats naturally available in the game as they often are with DLC stuff.

 
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I only see bonuses on DLC armor as a problem for console players who can't mod their game.  If the set had some bonus I really want, it is very easy to just add that bonus to an existing armor.  I can live without the special visuals that new armor would have.  And if I really wanted the visuals, then I could choose to buy it.

If they did add something like a new workstation as a DLC, then I would be upset unless it was part of a full expansion.  But I didn't think they would go that route.  It would alienate a lot of fans.

 
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Probably unpopular opinion, don't care:

Let the DLC come.  .. I've been seeing Day 1 DLCs for over 10 years now. Not that I think -that- is a good practice, but just using that as my point of perspective that 6 months down the line, or whatever- I don't feel TFP stomping on my trust insecurities.

I also don't mind if it's cosmetic only, or if it includes buffs.

If it's thematic, balanced, and reasonably priced, I'll buy it.

Anyone that doesn't like it can keep their money.

 
Yeah, I've more than got my money's worth out of this game already. If they release paid DLCs I would take the same approach I do with any other game I have. Do I like the DLC? Is it something interesting to me? Does it seem worth its price? Then I make a decision. As long as the outfits aren't just P2W cash grabs I don't see an issue with them. cough cough ARK:SA

 
Roland said:
As long as the content is purchased from the Steam store while not playing the game I’m fine with it. I don’t like when things are sold in game. If the new outfits are shown in the trader inventories but greyed out since I haven’t purchased them, that will upset me. But if they simply don’t exist in the game until I buy them on the Steam store and install them then I don’t see anything wrong with it. The base game comes with a nice variety of outfits as is. 
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There is also the other side of the coin. When I bought Conan exiles, I also bought some cosmetic DLC along with it. I later regretted it more than once. The construction menu turned out to be overloaded. Perhaps this is interesting for a network game to stand out, but for a solo game there is no point.
But I liked their global DLC with the new island.

 
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