PC Does better barter secret stash boost break the game?

[playlessNamer]

The better barter, lucky looter and adventurer combo is the most effective way to play.

But before nerfing anything around this pls rework the perksystem generally.

I really dislike how you get stuck in a tech because you have to skill int,str and agi before perks.

 

[ElDudorino]

I agree with that, I'm not a fan of the perk/skill system in general. I don't like having to skill into perception for literally one perk (lucky looter) while strength and agility are packed with amazing perks. Then some perks are fundamental to everything you do in the game while others are just QoL stuff. I don't know how I would retool it, though. The current system is acceptable to me as a placeholder since I don't know what system would be better.

 

[Slingblade2040]

T5 buildings are no harder than most T4 buildings. It's just that they are so much bigger than T4 buildings that you need more time to complete the quest. The zombies that spawn in a quest POI do not depend on the level of the quest but on your gamestage. For example, I get radioactive cops even on a T1 quest.
 

Many players don't like T5 quests because they take so long. In A18, T5 quests were guaranteed to give you Q6 items. But that's not the case anymore. It's sometimes ridiculous what you get as a reward.

The only T5 quests I currently do are the ones with the new Crack a Book HQ because it's done fairly quickly.
 

If any players reason for not doing a tier 5 is because it takes to long then that's on them and not a valid reason.

That's on the same level of wanting raid quality gear to drop from normal dungeons because raids take to long. It was a horrible decision when WoW did it and it's dumb for 7dtd to have anything but the best quality gear dropping from tier 5s.

Right now there is no reason to go to the wasteland or to do tier 5s. The games been dumbed done enough and made so that the game gets easier and easier. Some reason has to be implemented to go into the wastelands and do tier 5s otherwise why even bother adding them or even similar sized PoIs into the game later on.

 

[RipClaw]

If any players reason for not doing a tier 5 is because it takes to long then that's on them and not a valid reason.

The complaints that the T5 quests take too long have been around since these quests were added to the game.

With the new Crack a Book HQ the Fun Pimps added a T5 POI in A20 that is quick to do but contains about the same number of zombies as a factory. They also added the new quest menu in A20 where you can choose the quest level. That tells me that they consider, not having the time to do T5 quests, as a valid reason.

That's on the same level of wanting raid quality gear to drop from normal dungeons because raids take to long. It was a horrible decision when WoW did it and it's dumb for 7dtd to have anything but the best quality gear dropping from tier 5s.

This is how it is. The WoW players got older. Things like job and family became important. That's why they no longer had the time to invest several hours in a raid. Forcing players to do these long raids would have resulted in even more players quitting the game.

Right now there is no reason to go to the wasteland or to do tier 5s. The games been dumbed done enough and made so that the game gets easier and easier. Some reason has to be implemented to go into the wastelands and do tier 5s otherwise why even bother adding them or even similar sized PoIs into the game later on.

The opposite is true in A20. Players go to the Wasteland as early as possible to get 250% loot bonus. 

And whether it's easier or harder now is hard to say from an experienced player's point of view. There are some videos on this topic that try to analyze this. I think it's harder than A19 but that's just my impression.
 

 

[Shi-an]

I guess better barter breaks the game in the sense that it disrupts the general flow of progression by allowing people to get end-game gear without doing end-game quests. But then you can get end-tier loot 60 levels early just by going to the wasteland, and you don't even need to do quests--just nerd-pole to the POI's last room, loot the stuff and come back when loot resets.

The key thing is that 7DTD is just as much a sandbox game as it is a survival game--you have freedom to play how you wish, and set your own limits/restrictions as you see fit. You have multiple options for obtaining loot, and using better barter is just one of them. Better barter is pretty much always the best one as I have discovered through numerous playthroughs, but then how do you balance it? Make items more expensive? They already did that, but then that means that if your playstyle involves NOT teching into better barter, you suffer from expensive prices, just as much as the better barter players do.

A possible solution would be to reduce the chances of the good items appearing in the secret stash, even with better barter.

 

[Jason Tamosiunis]

im sick and tired of people complaining about a certain aspect of the game IF YOU DONT LIKE better barter and secret stash then plai nand simple DONT GET IT

 

[ElDudorino]

im sick and tired of people complaining about a certain aspect of the game IF YOU DONT LIKE better barter and secret stash then plai nand simple DONT GET IT

You're overreacting.  This game is an alpha and subject to change based in part on player feedback.  Better barter absolutely breaks progression, and if that's not the desired goal then TFP should change it (and probably will).

 

[Jason Tamosiunis]

You're overreacting.  This game is an alpha and subject to change based in part on player feedback.  Better barter absolutely breaks progression, and if that's not the desired goal then TFP should change it (and probably will).

true but the easy solution is just dont get it if a person doesnt like it because alot of us do like using it

 

[Jinx_DG]

but then how do you balance it? Make items more expensive? They already did that, but then that means that if your playstyle involves NOT teching into better barter, you suffer from expensive prices, just as much as the better barter players do.

This^^

Before a20 I never even considered specking into better barter. The most I ever did was 1 point into daring adventurer.  As for purchasing items from the trader.... pffft.... to expensive for my purse strings.