PC Do you enjoy to build in A20 without rebar frames ?

[Kosmic Kerman]

no the new shape menu is a nightmare and confusing

It's fine, you just need to use it some more to get used to it. I'll give you a tip that should make it easier for you. The top button toggles between all the shapes and the basic shapes. If all you want is the basic shapes it will make the menu much easier to use.

I think the real issue with the lack of rebar is not having to make cobblestone but rather that wood frames don't have the same SI values as rebar. This makes laying out/building a base trickier. With the removal of the first stage of concrete I'm not sure there's a meaningful difference in material costs, considering that cement is such a bear to make. I don't see the difference between mining stone vs mining clay.  In my solo playthroughs I never smelt stone and just harvest cement from POIs or buy it from traders. But for a large construction, that is a lot of stone you have to smelt to make enough cement.

 

[JCrook1028]

Wood to cobblestone to concrete and then steel isn´t new to A20.

Yes, it IS new to A20. Used to be wood to reinforced wood to iron to cobble. They took out 2 levels for A20. They also took out the reinforced concrete step between concrete and steel. Did you not even play A19 to know what is missing?

 

[pApA^LeGBa]

What? if you put down a woodframe the stages where wood, reinforced wood, cobblestone, concrete, reinforced concrete, steel. There was no iron in between at least not in A17-19, honestly can´t remember before. @JCrook1028

Two stage are missing, that´s true, i was simply lazy when typing assuming people will know anyways. Otherwise the upgrading stayed the same. There is no more iron frames (not to be confused with rebar frames), but tbh, i never used those so i have no clue if they were removed in A20 or earlier.

 

[Kosmic Kerman]

Yes, it IS new to A20. Used to be wood to reinforced wood to iron to cobble. They took out 2 levels for A20. They also took out the reinforced concrete step between concrete and steel. Did you not even play A19 to know what is missing?

I don't remember needing iron in my inventory to upgrade from wood to cobblestone in A19. I think the upgrade path was changed in A18 or A19.  I'm sure there were mods that differed from the stock game though. I did a playthrough in A19 just before A20 dropped and I never kept iron in my inventory because I only needed it for iron hatches.

 

[JCrook1028]

I don't remember needing iron in my inventory to upgrade from wood to cobblestone in A19. I think the upgrade path was changed in A18 or A19.  I'm sure there were mods that differed from the stock game though. I did a playthrough in A19 just before A20 dropped and I never kept iron in my inventory because I only needed it for iron hatches.

Yea maybe it was going into 19 that the first change was made. My mind.......... you know. Lol

 

[DominionZA]

The game no longer puts building as an important aspect of this game.

Now it's a "looter-shooter".

Mostly I've felt the same way. I never bothered to build a base since it will get torn down in 20 seconds anyways.

I remember, in Alpha 1 to 4 I never occupied a building, instead I used to build big concrete bunkers aswell as mansions or castles on bontiful spots of the map and had my fun there running imagination free. Zombies still managed to punch in some holes, but I was easily defending the walls with the pump shotgun and wooden spikes.

95% of my playthroughs involve being a nomad and roaming through the entire map, then either by day 30 or so settle down inside a strong building and camp on the roof.

 

[Jason Tamosiunis]

It's fine, you just need to use it some more to get used to it. I'll give you a tip that should make it easier for you. The top button toggles between all the shapes and the basic shapes. If all you want is the basic shapes it will make the menu much easier to use.

I think the real issue with the lack of rebar is not having to make cobblestone but rather that wood frames don't have the same SI values as rebar. This makes laying out/building a base trickier. With the removal of the first stage of concrete I'm not sure there's a meaningful difference in material costs, considering that cement is such a bear to make. I don't see the difference between mining stone vs mining clay.  In my solo playthroughs I never smelt stone and just harvest cement from POIs or buy it from traders. But for a large construction, that is a lot of stone you have to smelt to make enough cement.

TY i did not know that