PC DLC in Alpha?
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granak1031
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I wouldn't say that it's stupid to think that game developers DON'T (for some reason that word was skipped last time: sorry for any confusion) start on their future projects before thier current one is finished. I would call it ignorant and ill-thought out, but not stupid.
Some points to consider by anyone who hasn't connected the dots:
-Making a game involves a lot more than just coding.
-Game Design is the time spent thinking and planning out new features and mechanics, or how to improve existing ones.
-Design functions at a rate massively faster than actually coding it in does.
-Usually, a game moves into Beta when the focus shifts away from new content, and toward fixing bugs and balance tweaks.
Ergo, if most of the DESIGN of 7dtd is on the table (with the talk of moving to Beta, I assume that's the case), then design resources would be wasted if they just sat around waiting for the game to be released. It makes a lot more sense to put those resources to use designing the next big game, dlc (whether paid or free), or additional content for post-release patches.
Some points to consider by anyone who hasn't connected the dots:
-Making a game involves a lot more than just coding.
-Game Design is the time spent thinking and planning out new features and mechanics, or how to improve existing ones.
-Design functions at a rate massively faster than actually coding it in does.
-Usually, a game moves into Beta when the focus shifts away from new content, and toward fixing bugs and balance tweaks.
Ergo, if most of the DESIGN of 7dtd is on the table (with the talk of moving to Beta, I assume that's the case), then design resources would be wasted if they just sat around waiting for the game to be released. It makes a lot more sense to put those resources to use designing the next big game, dlc (whether paid or free), or additional content for post-release patches.
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You're proving my point yet again. As a moderator of the community and someone that TFP have a tie to in this way, you are in a small way representing them. Your attitude is one of "GTFO" instead of "listen, you misunderstood." My message in no way said what TFP is doing is wrong, in fact I say the opposite. My message in no way said the message you were presenting was wrong, simply the way you presented it. You're taking a "stfu and stop bitching, they know what they are doing" attitude instead of one of understanding where the frustration is coming from and addressing it in a professional way. Aggression in moderators, community facing employees, and core executives of a studio is not helping anyone. To put this message the same way you're putting messages out to members of the community: Be nice or STFU.
Crater Creator
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What aggression? "St*u and stop bitching" are your words, not Roland's. 'Please stop saying we shouldn't talk about this' is a more professional attitude. He's not shouting down dissent. He's making a case in support of transparency. If you didn't like his use of the word "dense," chalk that up to Roland's background as a teacher. Curing ignorance is just in his blood.You're proving my point yet again. As a moderator of the community and someone that TFP have a tie to in this way, you are in a small way representing them. Your attitude is one of "GTFO" instead of "listen, you misunderstood." My message in no way said what TFP is doing is wrong, in fact I say the opposite. My message in no way said the message you were presenting was wrong, simply the way you presented it. You're taking a "stfu and stop bitching, they know what they are doing" attitude instead of one of understanding where the frustration is coming from and addressing it in a professional way. Aggression in moderators, community facing employees, and core executives of a studio is not helping anyone. To put this message the same way you're putting messages out to members of the community: Be nice or STFU.
Roland
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Apologies if the way my posts read led you to believe I was saying GTFO or STFU. I was not intending either of those sentiments. I welcome discussion. I think if you read my first few posts on this subject they were kind and patient and informative. I do think that the opinion that the developers should wait to gear up for their next project until they have completely finished this one is a ridiculous stance.
I have nothing against those who sincerely don't understand how project flow works. My snarky remarks are for those who are making a value statement against TFP that they are somehow wrong or unethical to start laying the foundation of what is coming next before this project is finished. That is just wrong headed and while not in and of itself a stupid statement--if they stick to it despite having the logic of it explained to them then they really are black hole dense....
But they are welcome to stay here and to continue typing their arguments.
I see you are new and don't know me. I am the soul of patience and helpfulness. I really am. And I do understand the concept of customer service and have no disagreement with what you typed about me being a representative of the company and having a responsibility to not turn off potential customers who hate being called dense and all that. There comes a point though where hilarity overcomes propriety and since this is a video game forum instead of St Jude's Hospital for Children forum there can be a bit of snark and trash talking without anyone getting too bent out of shape or hyperventilating .
You even said you, yourself, were not offended by my statement and nobody else from the group you are advocating for is complaining so far. I invite anyone from this group of gamers who are offended by the word dense who are being aptly represented by dishmal to please contact me via personal message and I will apologize to you. But this is getting off topic so lets have no more of it in the public thread.
Send a message to [email protected] if you want to file a complaint about my behavior to the developers. Send them the link to my actual quote so they can reprimand me appropriate to the severity of what I did.
I have nothing against those who sincerely don't understand how project flow works. My snarky remarks are for those who are making a value statement against TFP that they are somehow wrong or unethical to start laying the foundation of what is coming next before this project is finished. That is just wrong headed and while not in and of itself a stupid statement--if they stick to it despite having the logic of it explained to them then they really are black hole dense....
But they are welcome to stay here and to continue typing their arguments.
I see you are new and don't know me. I am the soul of patience and helpfulness. I really am. And I do understand the concept of customer service and have no disagreement with what you typed about me being a representative of the company and having a responsibility to not turn off potential customers who hate being called dense and all that. There comes a point though where hilarity overcomes propriety and since this is a video game forum instead of St Jude's Hospital for Children forum there can be a bit of snark and trash talking without anyone getting too bent out of shape or hyperventilating .
You even said you, yourself, were not offended by my statement and nobody else from the group you are advocating for is complaining so far. I invite anyone from this group of gamers who are offended by the word dense who are being aptly represented by dishmal to please contact me via personal message and I will apologize to you. But this is getting off topic so lets have no more of it in the public thread.
Send a message to [email protected] if you want to file a complaint about my behavior to the developers. Send them the link to my actual quote so they can reprimand me appropriate to the severity of what I did.
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OzHawkeye
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Stuff > Things, just as we all know Cake > Pie.All the AAA titles have their DLC in the works in late alpha or early beta, if not earlier.
They just don't tell you because then players who don't have any concept of game development times or scheduling become "concerned".
Is something planned? Of course. Duh.
Since you're going to ask anyway: It will be stuff. With things.
Please ensure what you're planning has much more stuff than things
SylenThunder
Community Moderator / IT Guru
The cake is a lie....Stuff > Things, just as we all know Cake > Pie.
Please ensure what you're planning has much more stuff than things