PC Diffrerent capacities for identical weapons?

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BrokenPaw

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I have two (as far as I can tell) absolutely identical M60 machine guns (Level 6, black dye, Bipod, 4x Scope, Rad Remover, Silencer).

One of them has a max magazine capacity of 65 rounds, and one has a max of 61 rounds. 

It's not a big deal, but it's weird, so I was wondering whether anyone else has seen a similar thing, or if there's something I'm missing that might be affecting the capacity of one of them.

A20.3(b3), for what it's worth.

 
👆  What he said.

Just wait until you find a Tier 5, that does less damage but has a larger magazine capacity, or more range (or both).  Or more damage and durability.  Or any combination of better stats than the T6 M60 you have.  Random stats are random.  At least within the minimum/maximum range the game sets.

 
That randomness needs to be somehow fixed. Random stats, yeah sure, no problem. But a T5 item beeing significantly better than a T6 item is just a pain in the b tbh.

 
pApA^LeGBa said:
That randomness needs to be somehow fixed. Random stats, yeah sure, no problem. But a T5 item beeing significantly better than a T6 item is just a pain in the b tbh.
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Well - this depends what you mean better- for someone gun with bigger dmg is better that gun with bigger accuracy

 
Yeah. That´s better than what can happen right now. Having just that small 1 or 2  plus is better than having worse stats as the same item with lower quality.

I mean unless you like the gambling factor and are happy when the T6 SMG you finally looted is worse than the T5 SMG you already have.

 
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Matt115 said:
every stats or 1 - 2 is better? 
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If this is you asking if the stats are completely random, or somehow balanced out; they seem completely random. In other words, you can get a high roll on every stat and a low roll on every stat, making it possible for a Q6 being worse in every way than a Q5.

 
theFlu said:
If this is you asking if the stats are completely random, or somehow balanced out; they seem completely random. In other words, you can get a high roll on every stat and a low roll on every stat, making it possible for a Q6 being worse in every way than a Q5.
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this is so stupid. well - Q6 need to be buffed to eliminate this problem

 
The problem is the highest variation for lower tier weapons overlaps too much with the lowest variation of higher tiers, and that doesn't really make any sense IMO.

I personally don't have a problem with having random stats in general but the lowest probable stats on a higher tier weapon should still be higher than the highest possible on a lower tier. Even if it's just by few.
 

I also think random stats should only be for weapons found, earned, or bought, while the stats on crafted weapons should be higher than the highest possible found. With the exception of T6 ofcourse . I think this would encourage more players to unlock and craft their own. I know I rarely ever do.
 

Couldn't this be done by having a max base set for each effect for each tier?  Something like this for example?
 

M60 Max Ammo
T1: 25-30
T2: 35-40 (43 if crafted)
T3: 45-50 (53 if crafted)
T4: 55-60 (63 if crafted)
T5: 65-70 (73 if crafted)
T6: 75-80
 

 
Sal said:
The problem is the highest variation for lower tier weapons overlaps too much with the lowest variation of higher tiers, and that doesn't really make any sense IMO.
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That's a bit of a tough nut to crack though. If you want a significant variance within a Quality, but no overlap, your overall increase will be 5x "something significant". This is then made worse by several tiers of weapon type (pipe, ak, tac, m60) - these should improve somehow as well.

With your example within one tier of weapon, you've gone 3x the starting value... that's a lot. But the difference between 75 and 80 at the max end is already kinda pointless. Wouldn't factor into my decision at all - unless everything else was equal of course.

The randomness of the stats and the random quality feel a bit conflicting; mostly because they're essentially filling the same role. The only distinct thing is the amount of mod slots; just randomize that as well and just hide the quality from the UI, so there still ARE better and worse weapons, but the conflict between qualities isn't visible anymore. Either a weapon is better or not.

 
theFlu said:
The randomness of the stats and the random quality feel a bit conflicting; mostly because they're essentially filling the same role. The only distinct thing is the amount of mod slots; just randomize that as well and just hide the quality from the UI, so there still ARE better and worse weapons, but the conflict between qualities isn't visible anymore. Either a weapon is better or not.
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That's a good idea too.  Just remove the weapon tier system altogether and there wouldn't be anymore confusion.  If you have an AK and find another one then simply compare the stats.....if it's better, it's better. If not, it's not.

 
Sal said:
Just remove the weapon tier system altogether
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Okay on three. One. Two. THREE.

Just remove the weapon tier system

But srsly, you'd still need something like the tier system to allow for progression. But it could be hidden from the user.

 
theFlu said:
Isn't the thingy he quoted a draft of exactly that .. I mean, that's what I was going for? :)
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Yes. I was reinforcing your point while trying to gently explain why "just remove the tier system" probably wouldn't work. Sorry for not @-ing you for credit.

 
Boidster said:
Sorry for not @-ing you for credit.
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Heh, not an issue of credit; at all. I just assume he did understand what I wrote and merely shorthanded the suggestion as "just remove it"; which would make your take sound a little unfair.

I'm having a weird day though, so .. :)

 
theFlu said:
Heh, not an issue of credit; at all. I just assume he did understand what I wrote and merely shorthanded the suggestion as "just remove it"; which would make your take sound a little unfair.

I'm having a weird day though, so .. :)
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And you would right on this. I understood it just fine. But I'm glad you got it.

Boidster said:
Okay on three. One. Two. THREE.

Just remove the weapon tier system

But srsly, you'd still need something like the tier system to allow for progression. But it could be hidden from the user.
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Ofcourse there has to be something in place to allow progression, otherwise you could end up with a T6 on day one. What he suggested would work if they simply removed the tier label altogether but still keep the gamestage and loot progression in place. This would remove the visible confusion created by the tier system.

You clearly missed the point. Maybe you should work on this in the future instead of trying too hard to be funny with bad jokes and condescending posts.

 
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