PC Did you see how many negative comment on Joels a17 expo?

That game looks like total ♥♥♥♥.
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Looks much better than A16 imo. However, I cannot watch the video because Madmole's playstyle and the low field of view settings are too much for my stomach.^^

 
People actually read Youtube comments ?
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That's just it. All comments are useful, both positive and negative. Don't expect people to be nice when they express their disappointment. Sure, we all want positive. constructive feedback, but that's just not how things work in the real world.

Granted, some of the comments got nasty and personal that was absolutely uncalled for. But the common theme was valid - some of the changes shown in the video were questionable or even bizarre.

 
Looks much better than A16 imo. However, I cannot watch the video because Madmole's playstyle and the low field of view settings are too much for my stomach.^^
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I just couldn't handle seeing him die a bunch of times to normal difficulty zombies and being horrible with inventory management. He plays the game as though he has no experience which makes no sense cuz he has 10k hours in.

 
That's just it. All comments are useful, both positive and negative. Don't expect people to be nice when they express their disappointment. Sure, we all want positive. constructive feedback, but that's just not how things work in the real world.
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I disagree. Not all comments are useful, and not all comments are deserving of attention. You (and this is the generic you, not anyone specific) are under no obligation to pay any attention at all to people who are being rude or abusive; or who make things personal.

If you are disappointed with something and have negative views, the onus is on you to phrase those negative views in a polite and constructive manner if you want people to pay attention to them. That's just basic civilised discourse.

Of course, you are quite at liberty to rant and hurl abuse too. It may even make you feel better to do so. But if you are under the impression that you are entitled to be listened to when you are being hostile to the potential listener, then you are clearly mistaken.

 
I disagree. Not all comments are useful, and not all comments are deserving of attention. You (and this is the generic you, not anyone specific) are under no obligation to pay any attention at all to people who are being rude or abusive; or who make things personal.
If you are disappointed with something and have negative views, the onus is on you to phrase those negative views in a polite and constructive manner if you want people to pay attention to them. That's just basic civilised discourse.

Of course, you are quite at liberty to rant and hurl abuse too. It may even make you feel better to do so. But if you are under the impression that you are entitled to be listened to when you are being hostile to the potential listener, then you are clearly mistaken.
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You, of course, are entitled to your opinion. But what I said is based on my real life experiences as a software developer. If you wait for your customers to express their disappointments in a polite and constructive fashion, you are going to wait for a long long time and you will be outdone by your competitors who aren't as selective.

Constructive feedback is a rare commodity, always has been and always will be. As a designer of a consumer product it is *your* responsibility to listen. Quite often it involves listening to a complete and utter drivel. Such is life. Get over it or get out of business.

 
You, of course, are entitled to your opinion. But what I said is based on my real life experiences as a software developer. If you wait for your customers to express their disappointments in a polite and constructive fashion, you are going to wait for a long long time and you will be outdone by your competitors who aren't as selective.
Constructive feedback is a rare commodity, always has been and always will be. As a designer of a consumer product it is *your* responsibility to listen. Quite often it involves listening to a complete and utter drivel. Such is life. Get over it or get out of business.
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We're talking about two different things here. On the one hand, is the question of whether a company should listen to any and all feedback. As you point out, it might be wise of them to do so because they won't always get it in the form that they want. At the same time, it's at their discretion.

On the other hand, is the question of whether a customer has the right to be heard and/or responded to when they express their feedback rudely. The answer here is a straight no. In fact, the customer does not have the right to the company's attention regardless of how they express themselves. Just because it might be in the best interest of the company to respond to their customers does not mean that they are obligated to do so. If the customer wants a response or attention from the company, it is in their best interest to express themselves civilly and in a manner which is useful to the company.

 
You, of course, are entitled to your opinion. But what I said is based on my real life experiences as a software developer.
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My experiences in the field do not match yours, although I've no interest in turning this into a competition to see who has the best claimed credentials, since that's a completely pointless exercise and I've no ego at stake here.

We're talking about two different things here. On the one hand, is the question of whether a company should listen to any and all feedback. As you point out, it might be wise of them to do so because they won't always get it in the form that they want. At the same time, it's at their discretion.
On the other hand, is the question of whether a customer has the right to be heard and/or responded to when they express their feedback rudely. The answer here is a straight no. In fact, the customer does not have the right to the company's attention regardless of how they express themselves. Just because it might be in the best interest of the company to respond to their customers does not mean that they are obligated to do so. If the customer wants a response or attention from the company, it is in their best interest to express themselves civilly and in a manner which is useful to the company.
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Exactly. A company should be aware of feedback, but if that feedback is misinformed, misguided, or just plain rude and abusive then they're under no obligation to spend time addressing it.

 
All feedback can give useful information. The useful information I get from most A)misinformed, B) misguided, or C) just plain rude and abusive people is:

A) I need to plead with Valve to make their Early Access banners flash and beep and the TOS agreement should be signed in blood instead of just being a digital button that can be pressed to indicate it was read.

B) Instead of the captcha system for posting we need a quiz about how the alpha phase of development works. Potential posters must read and answer the quiz correctly before they can be approved for posting

C) I need to wield my ban hammer like Thor

 
All feedback can give useful information. The useful information I get from most A)misinformed, B) misguided, or C) just plain rude and abusive people is:
A) I need to plead with Valve to make their Early Access banners flash and beep and the TOS agreement should be signed in blood instead of just being a digital button that can be pressed to indicate it was read.

B) Instead of the captcha system for posting we need a quiz about how the alpha phase of development works. Potential posters must read and answer the quiz correctly before they can be approved for posting

C) I need to wield my ban hammer like Thor
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Time to change the Underoos already?! I thought you had a good couple weeks left in those.

 
I do.

Forwards, Backwards, Inside Out, Forwards, Backwards should get me through at least another few weeks with the one pair I have. I'll start searching for Thor underoos after A17-E drops...

 
I do.
Forwards, Backwards, Inside Out, Forwards, Backwards should get me through at least another few weeks with the one pair I have. I'll start searching for Thor underoos after A17-E drops...
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You might need to get more than a few more weeks out of them then...

 
I just couldn't handle seeing him die a bunch of times to normal difficulty zombies and being horrible with inventory management. He plays the game as though he has no experience which makes no sense cuz he has 10k hours in.
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Perhaps he's a shy person that suffers from buck fever and just needs a hug. ;)

 
Up to a certain point I can relate tho, its a video showing "the day 1 of A17" but instead is 45 minutes of Joel trying to get into a house in a farm showing literally nothing about A17...

And so the negative comments are divided in:

1-Angry people who thought it was a video showing day 1 of A17.

2-People who is angry cause the very same creator of the game doesn't seem (I put emphasis on seem) to have a clue on how to play his own game.

3-Angry people who where expecting to see some radical changes on A17 and not only didn't find it in that video, they found stuff that they didn't like, such as the new hp life, the new "fighting" system, etc.

4- Not less, angry people who check's all the above plus they know this Alpha took a year of waiting and they'r seeing A16 bugs like constant re spawning zombies not fixed yet.

So yeah, I can understand, and before you throw a "Its an early access game" let me be clear, I understand that, and I believe the negative comments authors do too, what you have to understand its that frustration is part of human being, and they are.

Now, putting that behind, I strongly believe you can't judge an Alpha before you play it, BUT, so far, from what I've seen, I don't think its going to be that interesting, at least thats my opinion, I'll have to play it first to confirm or deny what I just say, just basing my argument on the dev diary and the little gameplay videos.

+ADD EDIT: What it got me personally triggered was while JOEL was shooting arrows I notice like 2 or 3 times that the hitbox failed, that really pissed me off, cause is something OLD, and was one of the main reasons why I would throw my mouse and keyboard against the monitor after dying because of it and closing the game for a week or two in the past.

I hope Im wrong.

 
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Up to a certain point I can relate tho, its a video showing "the day 1 of A17" but instead is 45 minutes of Joel trying to get into a house in a farm showing literally nothing about A17...And so the negative comments are divided in:

1-Angry people who thought it was a video showing day 1 of A17.

2-People who is angry cause the very same creator of the game doesn't seem (I put emphasis on seem) to have a clue on how to play his own game.

3-Angry people who where expecting to see some radical changes on A17 and not only didn't find it in that video, they found stuff that they didn't like, such as the new hp life, the new "fighting" system, etc.

4- Not less, angry people who check's all the above plus they know this Alpha took a year of waiting and they'r seeing A16 bugs like constant re spawning zombies not fixed yet.

So yeah, I can understand, and before you throw a "Its an early access game" let me be clear, I understand that, and I believe the negative comments authors do too, what you have to understand its that frustration is part of human being, and they are.

Now, putting that behind, I strongly believe you can't judge an Alpha before you play it, BUT, so far, from what I've seen, I don't think its going to be that interesting, at least thats my opinion, I'll have to play it first to confirm or deny what I just say, just basing my argument on the dev diary and the little gameplay videos.

+ADD EDIT: What it got me personally triggered was while JOEL was shooting arrows I notice like 2 or 3 times that the hitbox failed, that really pissed me off, cause is something OLD, and was one of the main reasons why I would throw my mouse and keyboard against the monitor after dying because of it and closing the game for a week or two in the past.

I hope Im wrong.
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I actually liked that some of the arrows missed. Often feel a selfmade bow and arrow should be way

more innaccurate then they currently are ingame. But perhaps better for new players if they are as

powerful and accurate as they are.

 
I actually liked that some of the arrows missed. Often feel a selfmade bow and arrow should be waymore innaccurate then they currently are ingame. But perhaps better for new players if they are as

powerful and accurate as they are.
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There is a point.... but only so far. If i fire a shot and I see it go wide, that understand. If I shoot and it goes thru, well not so much.

 
Up to a certain point I can relate tho, its a video showing "the day 1 of A17" but instead is 45 minutes of Joel trying to get into a house in a farm showing literally nothing about A17...And so the negative comments are divided in:

1-Angry people who thought it was a video showing day 1 of A17.

2-People who is angry cause the very same creator of the game doesn't seem (I put emphasis on seem) to have a clue on how to play his own game.

3-Angry people who where expecting to see some radical changes on A17 and not only didn't find it in that video, they found stuff that they didn't like, such as the new hp life, the new "fighting" system, etc.

4- Not less, angry people who check's all the above plus they know this Alpha took a year of waiting and they'r seeing A16 bugs like constant re spawning zombies not fixed yet.

So yeah, I can understand, and before you throw a "Its an early access game" let me be clear, I understand that, and I believe the negative comments authors do too, what you have to understand its that frustration is part of human being, and they are.

Now, putting that behind, I strongly believe you can't judge an Alpha before you play it, BUT, so far, from what I've seen, I don't think its going to be that interesting, at least thats my opinion, I'll have to play it first to confirm or deny what I just say, just basing my argument on the dev diary and the little gameplay videos.

+ADD EDIT: What it got me personally triggered was while JOEL was shooting arrows I notice like 2 or 3 times that the hitbox failed, that really pissed me off, cause is something OLD, and was one of the main reasons why I would throw my mouse and keyboard against the monitor after dying because of it and closing the game for a week or two in the past.

I hope Im wrong.
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You summarized exactly my observations as well.

The routine vitriole of Youtube comments really wasn't there to the degree I was expecting. Or at least to the extent that I thought the title of this thread suggested. I was actually kind of surprised that I sympathized with the bulk of the significant comments.

I saw one excellent post on the YT comments, which suggested that TFP pay a professional to play & showcase their videos.

 
You summarized exactly my observations as well.
The routine vitriole of Youtube comments really wasn't there to the degree I was expecting. Or at least to the extent that I thought the title of this thread suggested. I was actually kind of surprised that I sympathized with the bulk of the significant comments.

I saw one excellent post on the YT comments, which suggested that TFP pay a professional to play & showcase their videos.
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You mean like opening it up to streamers for a few days? So they can show case the game and who cover a wide range of game playing ability and styles?

 
You mean like opening it up to streamers for a few days? So they can show case the game and who cover a wide range of game playing ability and styles?
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That's an awesome idea! TFP should totally do that!

You know, something like giving it to streamers on Friday. They can show it of for a few days while the final serious bugs are worked out, and then on Monday everyone else gets a more stable version than what the streamers had.

 
That's an awesome idea! TFP should totally do that!
You know, something like giving it to streamers on Friday. They can show it of for a few days while the final serious bugs are worked out, and then on Monday everyone else gets a more stable version than what the streamers had.
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Gotta wait mid to late October for that. Personally I'm thinking later. But I'm a patient man.

 
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