PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17

[Tilleen]

I can assure you I (we) know what "dirty" is and would be happy to give you more detail if you desire. We raise some of our own food now (though we both grew up on ranches/farms that did even more). We are familiar with the gamut of techniques for raising food, from primitive (I've plowed a field with a plow attached to a horse) to modern (it's much easier with a tractor, and while modern, a manure spreader is only easier to use, not a lot cleaner). Night soils are for use when you have no other option and night soils from people with contagious diseases are NEVER to be used (and you have NO IDEA if some random toilet in some random house had someone with a Z plague use it before they started looking for brains).



Yeah, I was talking about The Martian. Why would you assume otherwise?

EDIT: The point being he was aware of where the poop/♥♥♥♥/turds came from and that they would be from healthy people (since presumably they screened for such things before they sent them to Mars), not some random toilet. And it was a great reference, The Martian was a great movie showing low-tech techniques in a high-tech environment, among the MANY other great things about it.

Pity it's starting premise was so completely wrong. I read the first ten pages and stopped because of that.

 

[Ouch Quit It]

"Well, color me curious! Tell me more of this poonade you speak of..."

They are brutal...you get Poontang all over you!!

Seriously..I hope they fix the throwing animation...it was so much better 3 or 4 alphas ago...it lands at your feet half the time. Not very accurate throws anymore

 

[Tilleen]

The Doors and drawbridge would be great so we can set up a plate or trigger for player only to activate these. I am getting tired of getting out of my minibike to open each one up then close it.
Factory Machinery? IDK, I would be more specific and say conveyor blocks, piston blocks, rotation blocks, and maybe hoppers. Then we can probably do some material production and some creative zombie traps too.

Water pump probably won't happen until the water physics get fixed.

I think one industrial high end forge would be nice.

So a merge with Space Engineers. Excellent. (Or maybe Medieval Engineers)

 

[Royal Deluxe]

Because it means players can make impenetrable sky dongs in multiplayer that are unraidable. Also it is a glitch and a bug. Do you honestly think the developers planned on making a hatch that could teleport the player through solid steel to a new location?

I'm not sure it was intentional, but they haven't removed it yet. Maybe when the FP get time to work on PVP they will remove it from that game mode. I only play SP and hope it stays in.

On a PVP simple forbid it.

There should be admin with a ton of TNT ready to help in case of lawbreakers

 

[Tilleen]

Madmole/Gazz
Can we get

1- an inside and outside corner of the railings block..without platform

2-dog sleeper block....presently we only have the sleepers ...no animal sleepers.

3- wheel blocks for vehicles.

4- patio umbrella----closed is fine

5- formal table section..dining room table middle and ends

Thx

Ouch

Coughs * VIDEO * Coughs

5- Also a catwalk with railing on one side. (and steel versions).

 

[stallionsden]

Because it means players can make impenetrable sky dongs in multiplayer that are unraidable. Also it is a glitch and a bug. Do you honestly think the developers planned on making a hatch that could teleport the player through solid steel to a new location?

Lol how is it teleporting you thru steel. The hatch is open lol. I totally disagree that it is a bug or a glitch but a genius use of what we are given. Btw why you don't destroy the hatches so they have trouble getting out of their bases........i no idea.

Seems like your complaining cause they have beat you and you want TFP to hand you easy kills. The hatch as an elevator is genius sorry your can't be smarter then those that use these creatively and purposefully.

 

[Royal Deluxe]

(and steel versions).

You see really a so high priority that you would sacrifice 10+ of our scarce Block ID´s ?

 

[stallionsden]

Plate? Where's my remote control attachment to my bike to open and close the gate with one click?


Not only a glitch but an exploit in this case. We need proper stuff and player physics working proper. This glitch can sometimes launch the player when your head get "stuck" in a wall next to a ramp - I die once because of this (can be really weird sometimes). I can guess its the same glitch that can remove (you are pushed sideways) you from nerdpolling when you place a block inside your body instead of under your feet. And without nerdpolling there's no building in this game...

So someone comes up with a genius constructive use of an object and you say its a glitch/exploit lol. Please...................

It is quite not a glitch or exploit. It is utilising the object (whether intended or not) in a way that the player who done it has come up with. You wanna punish a player cause they are smarter and can utilise things maybe that you and those that claim this is a glitch/exploit can't come up with these ideas.

 

[Jedo]

5- Also a catwalk with railing on one side.

Yes, please!

 

[Tilleen]

You see really a so high priority that you would sacrifice 10+ of our scarce Block ID´s ?

You are right, i would not sacrifice the block ids, in the current system, I would get double or quadruple the number of block-ids.

I feel the limit is going to have to change. I don't know what the data structure for a block look likes but but 11 bits seems a strange number for block-ids. I assume the extra 5 bits are for something else (rotation?).

 

[Royal Deluxe]

You are right, i would not sacrifice the block ids, in the current system, I would get double or quadruple the number of block-ids.
I feel the limit is going to have to change. I don't know what the data structure for a block look likes but but 11 bits seems a strange number for block-ids. I assume the extra 5 bits are for something else (rotation?).

i guess

Block ID

Rotation

Meta1

Meta 2

Density

Damage

Texture

...

I think they would not play this "New block XYZ in" a patch later "Block XYZ out" game if it would be so easy.

I allready miss my 50% steps, cant longer build Doublewalls with a maintenance tunnel

 

[sinda]

Please make a railing corner block. Something like the catwalk corner just without the pallet on the bottom so it is just the railing. That way we can put the wood/metal railing around a corner and complete the railing nicely.
Thanks,

Bob...

this! and make the corner without the railing, also. /love/love.

 

[velocidad]

I don't know about that... I played some solo multiplayer games in a14/a15 for the same reason... wanted to get my friends to occasionally hop on. I don't recall being able to pause my game at any point while I was in a multiplayer game. In fact, I remember being annoyed that I couldn't pause the game, but accepting it because it had been my choice to open the game in multiplayer mode. My stepdaughter likes to play in creative mode and her games won't pause either. Only normal single player games.
Edit: There is a way to switch between MP and SP, so you could try playing SP until one of your friends is online, then switch to MP

To be honest now you make me doubt, but I'm 99% sure this was working before.

And thanks I will check the switch thing.

 

[Zerstorer]

Vehicles

Hey MadMole, would it be possible to have larger inventory capacity for the larger vehicles? Or at least the ability to upgrade the inventory capacity?

Thanks

 

[Royal Deluxe]

Hey MadMole, would it be possible to have larger inventory capacity for the larger vehicles? Or at least the ability to upgrade the inventory capacity?
Thanks

Have a look here

https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?74220-Backpack-gate-why-a-extra-row-should-be-added

(Its no official statement, but as it stands)

And welcome to the forum

 

[Kwikwilyaqa]

So someone comes up with a genius constructive use of an object and you say its a glitch/exploit lol. Please...................
It is quite not a glitch or exploit. It is utilising the object (whether intended or not) in a way that the player who done it has come up with. You wanna punish a player cause they are smarter and can utilise things maybe that you and those that claim this is a glitch/exploit can't come up with these ideas.

I didn't criticize the use of the "object", but I assume glitches/bugs are meant to be fixed. There a lot of cases that this "behavior" is not beneficial (I experimented some of them) - I can only guess that there's something wrong with player physics when "inside" a block (you can be "ejected" from blocks - and I'm assuming its the same with the hatches). It's like the item elevator in Minecraft. Was genius at the time, but was not an intended game mechanic: hence, an exploit. But I expect the same in 7DTD: when they squashed the bug already existed actual game mechanics that did the same - because ladders and ramps get old pretty fast.

 

[Tilleen]

i guessBlock ID

Rotation

Meta1

Meta 2

Density

Damage

Texture

...

I think they would not play this "New block XYZ in" a patch later "Block XYZ out" game if it would be so easy.

I allready miss my 50% steps, cant longer build Doublewalls with a maintenance tunnel

EDIT: I see what you mean.

Ignore:

Thought that 50% steps were still there, called: Wet Concrete Wedge Tip Stairs and Wet Concrete Wedge Stairs

Or are these not what you mean?

 

[Royal Deluxe]

Thought that 50% steps were still there, called: Wet Concrete Wedge Tip Stairs and Wet Concrete Wedge Stairs
Or are these not what you mean?

only 3 versions or so are left, no reinforced Concrete, no steel, i mean no scrap and no reinforced wood too

And they are simply named Stairs 50%

The wedge versions are not 50% in both directions

 

[Tilleen]

only 3 versions or so are left, no reinforced Concrete, no steel, i mean no scrap and no reinforced wood too
And they are simply named Stairs 50%

The wedge versions are not 50% in both directions

Yes, I think there are 4. I have this which I used to catalogue all the standard blocks and their upgrade paths: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dh4gMflEQ_KHYCTZeELmD1eAjE6Q_g90_U4TZroi1hY/edit?usp=sharing

 

[ParaSyt]

So a merge with Space Engineers. Excellent. (Or maybe Medieval Engineers)

I haven't played those but if they all ready have it and use a voxel system then yes merge aka find out how they did it and stea...I mean borrow it.

Madmole/Gazz
Can we get

1- an inside and outside corner of the railings block..without platform

2-dog sleeper block....presently we only have the sleepers ...no animal sleepers.

3- wheel blocks for vehicles.

4- patio umbrella----closed is fine

5- formal table section..dining room table middle and ends

1. I would like to see a "block snap system" (I made that up) or something that, instead of of creating more block IDs, it adds a logic into an existing block that says things like "If this block of this kind touches a block of this kind it will look like this block". So when a rail meets another rail at a 90 the image turns into a railing corner. There are lots of things that bug me other than the rails that do not have corners. This could probably be done for that weird dip that all ground blocks have that meet a cement blocks. This could probably reduce the number of block IDs.

2. Good idea, but I hate it. LOL

3. Like separate tires blocks? But why?

4. Also why patio umbrellas?

5. I would rather see extended furniture in a mod.