PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17

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Dogs kill you = Respawn

Diggers (as i imagine them) kill your base = The work of many, many, many, real hours screwed

I agree digger zombies could be a real threat but there is no point making them like spiders are currently where 1 or 2 may climb wall's and you just despatch them but i dont think you should have no counters against them either.

I edited the reply above while you where posting so i have repeated the section i have edited.

I can understand you want the ability to turn them of but would players who would normally deal with them turn them off also and does this make digger zombies a enemy that only players who want the difficulty ramped up will use ?

 

[Royal Deluxe]

I think you're over dramatising what the diggers could potentially be

Remove the right 4-8 Blocks and the whole tower collapses

Yes it checks (more or less) until bedrocks, no way to go more than 15 Blocks out of the core towerhere my very first tower in this game where i tried this (not even 15 blocks because you would want to playe stuff on the plateau and the corner allready have no SI )

The Problem is that it looks like most of the people that think diggers would be great never build a tower like this

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does this make digger zombies a enemy that only players who want the difficulty ramped up will use ?

I would say only players that play not as architects would use them

 

[Darkfoxx117]

Remove the right 4-8 Blocks and the whole tower collapses
The Problem is that it looks like most of the people that think diggers would be great never build a tower like this

I never said they would be great i'd fear them but also think of ways to counter them via base defenses and proper placement of storage.

 

[Royal Deluxe]

I never said they would be great i'd fear them but also think of ways to counter them via base defenses and proper placement of storage.

Imagine you need to run the whole hordenight the outer Defense ring

(Because there is no other way to defend Zombies that came out of rock)

And additional there cant be smart small bunkers, the new ones would be unpractical and huge

(Both Bunkers would be comparable safe and with the same storeroom, except that the new one would need you to run the outer defense ring)

 

[Darkfoxx117]

Imagine you need to run the whole hordenight the outer Defense ring (Because there is no other way to defend Zombies that came out of rock)

And additional there cant be smart small bunkers, the new ones would be unpractical and huge

(Both Bunkers would be comparable safe and with the same storeroom, except that the new one would need you to run the outer defense ring)

Alternatively you could build another separate base in which you spend horde nights and don't care whether it's smashed to bits or not?

 

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Regarding a option to turn digger zombies on/off

I think it would be a very small amount of players who would turn them on and then the developers would have to entice the player to use that option with a special unique loot or something else rewarding which could be counterproductive.

I mean if you have that checkbox there how many times are you going to try tactics compared to if it was not an option ?

Also if you where to reward the player then you could just turn them off untill you built or aquired all your countermeasures and then turn them on again.

 

[Royal Deluxe]

Alternatively you could build another separate base in which you spend horde nights and don't care whether it's smashed to bits or not?

So the point is ?

Adding diggers so that realism count no longer (As player i expect a Bunker to be a safe place)

Instead i as player are forced to build a "Cheesy system cheating overground base" where i have to fight 7th Days hordes i dont like. Or a 500m long bedrock tunnel and run the whole hordenight up and down

i really see no challenge in that, only harassment of bedrock dwellers and achitect players.

 

[graphite]

Thinking about this made me think could/should loot tables be dynamic to game difficulty or gamestage as well as different types of zombies.

I know that it was mentioned loot is due an overhaul but i wondered anyone else thoughts on this.

 

[Royal Deluxe]

Thinking about this made me think could/should loot tables be dynamic to game difficulty or gamestage as well as different types of zombies.
I know that it was mentioned loot is due an overhaul but i wondered anyone else thoughts on this.

yes it should

More Specific loot from Different parts of the game Horde, Citys, Quests, Traders

And more specific loot from Specific zombies.

If it makes sense to combine Difficulty with loot amounts.... let i me say so i play (mostly) insane with 25% loot and 4 weeks loot respawn.

Would make no sense to raise the loot by higher difficulty

 

[graphite]

yes it shouldMore Specific loot from Different parts of the game Horde, Citys, Quests, Traders

And more specific loot from Specific zombies.

If it makes sense to combine Difficulty with loot amounts.... let i me say so i play (mostly) insane with 25% loot and 4 weeks loot respawn.

Would make no sense to raise the loot by higher difficulty

I can see your point about difficulty and another point is all nearly items have a use and different players require different loot.

But probaility of loot and frequency is not rarity of items i say rarity and not quality as this allready dealt with but i am still unsure of the idea and this question might answer it for sure

 

[sillls]

Well, there are more complete charts.
http://orig03.deviantart.net/494a/f/2014/171/0/1/size_comparison___science_fiction_spaceships_by_dirkloechel-d6lfgdf.jpg

I'm not even folloing every detail here.

If Shai-Hulud were added it would change gameplay and base-building yet again.

I just try new things. I've had underground and above ground bases in many variations, floating ones, underwater, floating underwater so it was submerged but still not touching the bottom...

I'm curious what works. Naturally some fail horribly. LOL

Thanks for the screenshot.

 

[Janna3921]

Regarding a option to turn digger zombies on/off
I think it would be a very small amount of players who would turn them on and then the developers would have to entice the player to use that option with a special unique loot or something else rewarding which could be counterproductive.

I mean if you have that checkbox there how many times are you going to try tactics compared to if it was not an option ?

Also if you where to reward the player then you could just turn them off untill you built or aquired all your countermeasures and then turn them on again.

Just my idea, opinion, and I don't even know if it is even doable, but when we start the game we have the option to pick scavenger, warrior, insane and whatever the other levels are. Could it be made that in the higher levels the setting would be to have the more challenging and dangerous zombies? The irradiated cop, and I think there is one that is a feral, then the irradiated feral wight (or whatever it is called), and other zombies that are really hard to kill could be in those levels. Allow players have the option to try that out, the experienced players can have the challenges. Those who are casual, weekend players can chose to try out the warrior one, or one of the other choices that might have a setting where they get the cops and wight on horde night, or at any time.

That way everyone gets what they prefer.

I agree that rewarding the player could encourage players who would be going "I don't know if I want to fight that" will go "Yes! I'll give it a go".

Right now the irradiated cops, feral wights and some others have no loot at all, many of the zombies have lousy loot. I'm grounded again on my shoulder, so my fix is watching a variety players on youtube. Some I see as great, GameEdged, Kage848 who I watch all the time, Games4Kickz some of the time and also Veudi (I know I spelled your name wrong, sorry) he has a play style that I also enjoy so I watch him a lot, forgot to add Flexible Games, I watch him often. Some others are good, some okay, some so lousy that I won't watch them again.

The small amount of players is the problem in whether or not TFPs decide to leave them out, or to add them and have them for when you get a really high game level. Those who want such a challenge should have that challenge. I'm not against it, it's fun to watch them play and fight those zombies. I don't want to, I am a coward in that way, but I like to see others show their expertise and they should not be limited to because others don't want to face them and/or loose all the work they have done on their underground base and see it collapse.

If players chose to turn the option off and not play with diggers on (or the more deadly, dangerous ones), then I go that is their choice, and their lose of some good loot.

Just my two cents

 

[sinda]

didn't they have diggers in way back AND removed them because of all these concerns and ugly terrain they created?

wasn't the IDEA Kinya put forth only related to blood moon hordes, and only for the people underground?

and they weren't diggers in the sense i'm seeing discussed.

as for everyone's stuff... do you fight the horde topside standing on your 200hp crates waiting for the cops to spit?

likewise, why would you wait for a horde underground surrounded by your precious bits and bobs, IF that mechanic were implemented?

 

[lkblaze]

Lets get down to the real problem. If you don't want to play with the zombies TURN THEM OFF. No place should be 100 percent safe with zombies on. Underground threats are a must.

 

[fj4080]

Being safe underground has become a false meta in my opinion.

 

[Royal Deluxe]

Lets get down to the real problem. If you don't want to play with the zombies TURN THEM OFF. No place should be 100 percent safe with zombies on. Underground threats are a must.

Ahh black and white. There is no gray

 

[crazywildfire]

Ahh black and white. There is no gray

Not everything has to have gray in it.

It is true turn off if you want no threat. If on no place should be 100% safe. Some might not see it this way. That is fine everyone can have a opinion but it doesn't change the fact for this game if zombies are on you don't/shouldn't have a 100% safe spot.

 

[Prisma501]

Not everything has to have gray in it.
It is true turn off if you want no threat. If on no place should be 100% safe. Some might not see it this way. That is fine everyone can have a opinion but it doesn't change the fact for this game if zombies are on you don't/shouldn't have a 100% safe spot.

Yeah imo too. And statistically the majority of the poll takers too.

Cheers

 

[Professor-Pip]

Why not just better Zombie AI

In all this talk about the underground, it occurs to me that if Zombie AI is improved there would be little need for diggers, rats, spiders, silverfish or mutant rock people.

If zombies simply attack hatches and then climb down ladders, you end up with zeds roaming about your underground base.

Now personally, I don't have a problem with upping the ante for living underground but throwing in various dangers like gas pockets, necessary air shafts, even cave-ins (which I've never experienced except while digging in dirt for treasure). I don't even mind Kin's idea of having digger zombies that spawn outside your walls and dig a couple of blocks to get to your base.

But frankly, If zombies can follow the path a player takes to get into his base then Other solutions aren't really necessary.

Pip

 

[Jedo]

Lets get down to the real problem...No place should be 100 percent safe with zombies on. Underground threats are a must.

Why not? In a real zombie apocalypse, where would you go? Some place 100 percent safe from zombies. Where would that be? My friends and I decided that this would be a cruise ship anchored off the coast. Lots of room and lots of food. What's the problem with that scenario? The food eventually would run out, meaning that we would have to leave our safe place to forage, thus risking encounters with zombies.

I agree with the emphasis that some have placed on environmental dangers to underground living, or even on coaxing players to leave their safe haven for something worth while. Make the people need to go where zombies are rather than making zombies come to them. (Except I don't mind what people not-so-affectionately refer to as "GPS hordes." It's a game. Without that mechanic, you might never experience a horde.)