PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17

[faatal]

IMO that would be ideal, each zombie would have a range of speed... (min and max) or a factor of "up to bonus %".
+1 to +5% variance would add a lot of randomness to their movement changing timings and making us on edge often rather then swing-power-step back-swing-swing routine every time.

Speed variations for zombies when spawned has been on my todo list for a while. Low priority.

 

[Quantum Blue]

• Boiled eggs do not need master chef cook to make
  

Thank you!!

Actually I believe it should.

1. "Master Chef" is a perk progression TITLE. It does not mean that in order to boil eggs you have to be a master chef.

2. #BolingEggsGate. This has been brought up a few times. That EVERYONE knows how to boil eggs. That is patently false. I actually have been a chef (low grade - not master), been involved in and taught cooking classes. Boiling eggs is a typical early lesson. You don't think anything can wrong?

a. Underboiled. In my experience, almost no one eats runny under boiled eggs.

b. Overboiled. Yep. You can. Usually not as bad as under boiled.

c. Preparation: How many people can cleanly remove the shell?

There are 'tricks' to make that easier - but they are not something EVERYONE knows.

This is true for fried eggs as well. Beginners have a tendency to introduce a LOT of shell into fried eggs. And, you could even make an argument that with 'experience' a person might become more accepting of ways things are cooked. (shells/dirt in the eggs, etc.)

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Why does it seem that MOST (rofl) people cannot seem to find ways to justify things that are different - or that they don't like?

It's the first thing I do when I experience something new TFP has done. Try to figure out reasons why they might have done so. Or even reasons they might not have thought of. Kind of a mini-game in itself. (And why you don't see tons of posts from me.)

 

[faatal]

I like this change. And they lowered the attribute costs.
People say no level gates. But you need some kind of gate. Level gates, rng gates, or skill point gates. Something has to be there to tell the player "no, you cant have that now, work twords it"

Without that there's no progression.

The conflict over level gates amuses me, because people act like that is the only gate in the game.

Travel gate: Why do I have to walk to get places?

Loot gate: Why do I have to find and open containers to get stuff?

Combat gate: Why do I have to kill zombies so they stop attacking me?

XP gate: Why do I have to do things to get experience?

Night gate: Why do I have to wait for the sun to come up?

Ammo gate: Why do weapons need ammo and why do I have to reload then?

Food gate: Why do I find food and eat to not be hungry?

Farm gate: Why do I have to wait for food to grow?

Hunting gate: Why do I have to find, kill and harvest animals to get their meat?

Anything gate: Why do I have to...?

There is a solution to all these gates. Debug menu and creative mode. Do whatever you want.

 

[Biffzombie]

Can we have a "Master Chef" version of a screamer zombie that is attracted to cooking and has a higher chance of showing up for players with low cooking skill (or cooking low skill foods)?

 

[Quantum Blue]

#NoEndGameGate and #TheGamePushesYouToKillZombiesExclusivelyGate

(faatal forgot these...)

Umm. No. Please stop speaking for me. (especially when you use words/phrases like 'most', or don't use words/phrases like 'for me', etc.

I have my own end game. I'd like to think I'm a positive kind of person, wanting to help others, and make things better. So, I beautify 7D2D homes and towns. That's my 'job'. I don't consider myself a builder - I'm not that creative.

I pick up all the trash (blocks, whatever), fix things (get rid of opened cupboards, replace them with nice closed ones, etc.) While I will usually start a new game if I die (although I don't do dead is dead) almost nothing gets me more worked up than spending time refurbishing a place, just to have it crumble - because I forgot a brace while doing something. (I have 4400 hours in and have a pretty good understanding of 'SI'.)

The funny thing is - I used to get a little bothered when a wandering horde would trash something I fixed. (What a noob.) BUT, then I learned to 'sense' when a wandering horde might appear soon, and take 'precautions'; for when it does happen! (dogs, bears, wolves, too)

I have nicknamed myself "LawnMower Man" because I will even usually clean up all of the 'grass' around buildings. (OCD you know) (Man, what I wouldn't do for a lawnmower, or a grass sickle from Jax's Ravenhearst.)

And, yes, I do kill zombies. And, sometimes when I need a break from cleaning, I might go zombie hunting for a little. Usually when I am hunting for meat. But, it's not my 'game'.

And, btw, TFP (THIS IS FOR TFP DEVS ONLY!!! (rofl)) - please feel free to start me in ANY biome but just with the following caveats:

1. Please not buried so many layers down in the ground. Especially without a tool to get out.

2. Please not 200 blocks in the air, without some way to arrive on the ground not dead. (Hurt is fine. Just not dead.)

3. Please not at the bottom of a really deep lake without some way to arrive at the surface not dead.

4. Please not in the 'middle' of a radiation zone, without some (probable) way of getting out without dying.

BTW, TFP, I don't believe I have ever asked for anything, but it sure would be nice if you would LISTEN TO ME for a change.

(BTW2 - I really would vote 7D2D best game, or TFP best developer on the Steam Awards, but, alas...)

; - )

 

[Hek Harris]

My preferred style of play is: No air drops, no loot respawn, but it admittedly only works well when it's a solo game or just the wife and I playing.

Same here (except for playing with your wife).

I think the option for respawning loot should be off by default. Playing solo with respawning loot is missing something. I'm pretty sure lot of players just don't set "no respawn" because they don't think about it.

 

[Sullen Skulls]

I agree with you regarding real life difficulty in cooking, and it is surprising how many people can't boil an egg, or cook toast without it burning.

A solution to having the perk system simulate this better, would be to have 3 variants of each cooked item:-

Undercooked - Medium nutrition, high food poisoning chance

Overcooked - Low nutrition, low food poisoning chance

Cooked - High nutrition, no food poisoning chance

Every person is able to cook every recipe at any level, but if they don't have the skill (perk) to cook that recipe correctly, they have a very high chance of undercooked/overcooked item as the result of the recipe, and a really small chance of getting properly cooked.

Once the skill has been learnt, undercooked/overcooked chances fall to almost 0% chance.

To add to the jeopardy, there would be no way of knowing which type you have without eating it.

Not sure how this last part could work regarding stacking of items, because I don't think it would work having it as a risk calculated upon eating, as this would mean you couldn't buy food from the trader without it being affected by your own skill level (makes no sense), or people would cheese it, and cook the stuff when they don't have the skill, and save it in a chest until they have the skill to make it safe for eating.

This combined with a spoilage system (I know it has been discussed, and not sure if it will ever make it into the game or not at some point down the line), would add a significant layer of realism, complexity and difficulty, that would also add much more importance to the chef perks.

Just a thought.

 

[rdunham3]

you could even make an argument that with 'experience' a person might become more accepting of ways things are cooked. (shells/dirt in the eggs, etc.)

They could introduce an Iron Gut perk. Eating stuff that is dodgy doesn't hurt you, or at least not as much. Food Poisoning, to you, means Alternate Nutrients.

 

[stasis78]

Please please please. Can we have a key binding to repair?

I have macros to auto mine and repair would make this very much easier.

 

[Biffzombie]

They could introduce an Iron Gut perk. Eating stuff that is dodgy doesn't hurt you, or at least not as much. Food Poisoning, to you, means Alternate Nutrients.

If they could make it exclusive of the Master Chef perk. Pick one or the other :smile-new:

 

[SnowDog1942]

The conflict over level gates amuses me, because people act like that is the only gate in the game.
Travel gate: Why do I have to walk to get places?

Loot gate: Why do I have to find and open containers to get stuff?

Combat gate: Why do I have to kill zombies so they stop attacking me?

XP gate: Why do I have to do things to get experience?

Night gate: Why do I have to wait for the sun to come up?

Ammo gate: Why do weapons need ammo and why do I have to reload then?

Food gate: Why do I find food and eat to not be hungry?

Farm gate: Why do I have to wait for food to grow?

Hunting gate: Why do I have to find, kill and harvest animals to get their meat?

Anything gate: Why do I have to...?

There is a solution to all these gates. Debug menu and creative mode. Do whatever you want.

This is great...LOL...

 

[Quantum Blue]

1) Removes zombie loot from zombies, since 'you don't want to receive crap from zombies', 'you will get good loot once it drops', 'zombies aren't providing you with crap all the time'.
2) Kills a zombie, said zombie drops a loot bag.

3) Loot bag contains 1 corn meal.

Can someone explain to me why zombie loot is A) not completely removed, or B) zombie loot actually drops useful/valueable stuff.

(Does NL stand for "Not Likey"? ok, now something nice - hey! Know any blue rocks? (I happen to be a musician...))

DV - I doubt that this is all the time. Sometimes I get crap, and sometimes I get gold. And most of the time I get a LOT of guns. Trader won't even buy em from me anymore...

I took on a feral wight recently (I was maybe level 10 - seriously) and a hunting rifle with about 8 rounds. Yeah. I know. Silly. I chickened out and ran into a nearby 'lake' and very carefully maneauvered near the edge where I was finally able to defeat him using my candy cane. It seriously took a while (seriously), and I got really close to dead, (stamina was like 30, max health 30 from 120) but I beat him! And he dropped some loot! Nice! (I had to dive to get - but still...)

Shamwich.

I kind of like it like this. Sometimes makes for really interesting decisions. Dang, I'm, almost dead, there's still a few zombies, but there's a loot drop! What do I do?

; - )

 

[Ouch Quit It]

B240 just released!!!!

Its Christmas come early!!! 2 releases in 2 days....Joy to the World!!!

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Does anyone know if 16k maps are possible yet???

Also what is the size for a 16k map in the server config files?? Is it 16384 ??????

Regards

Ouch

 

[Hek Harris]

"Fixed : F7 mode kills UI interaction"

You're awesome.

Edit : Since it's a mini patch, can the actual game be continued on a random map (without posting bug-reports, of course ^^) ?

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(edit added comment by QA Tester-unholyjoe)

 


RWG WILL be an on going tuning process when Kenyajuu gets time... he is aware of most issues. (if you find pois colapsing, that is needed info because that can bring down servers if not caught)

 


But for those who still persist and its in RED print... Please use new game seeds and not saves.

 


thanks

 


oh, and YW about the F7

 


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[Qyzer]

The conflict over level gates amuses me, because people act like that is the only gate in the game.

I'm sorry, but that's just patently false. NO ONE here acts like level gates are the only gates in the game.

https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?71414-All-the-gates&highlight=gates

Travel gate: Why do I have to walk to get places?

Loot gate: Why do I have to find and open containers to get stuff?

Combat gate: Why do I have to kill zombies so they stop attacking me?

XP gate: Why do I have to do things to get experience?

Night gate: Why do I have to wait for the sun to come up?

Ammo gate: Why do weapons need ammo and why do I have to reload then?

Food gate: Why do I find food and eat to not be hungry?

Farm gate: Why do I have to wait for food to grow?

Hunting gate: Why do I have to find, kill and harvest animals to get their meat?

Anything gate: Why do I have to...?

There is a solution to all these gates. Debug menu and creative mode. Do whatever you want.

You all are a victim of your own success. We all think you are good enough to solve all of them. Yes, even the ones that directly contradict one another.

:smile-new:

 

[icehot]

I don't have an issue with level gates, i couldn't care less, the only issue there is, is that now the wandering hordes are nerfed, you either go through a dungeon to level, or you don't level.

 

[faatal]

I'm sorry, but that's just patently false. NO ONE here acts like level gates are the only gates in the game.
https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?71414-All-the-gates&highlight=gates

Seems like that to me. If the only gate I see a person post about is level gating, then to me they are acting like it is the only gate.

Interesting post that I have never seen. Roland made that a month before I started working at TFP.

You all are a victim of your own success. We all think you are good enough to solve all of them. Yes, even the ones that directly contradict one another.
:smile-new:

But I did provide the solution. Debug menu and creative mode.

 

[Ouch Quit It]

FAATAL,

Are we able to run a 16k map on dedicated servers or are they still unstable and have to keep the 8192 size??

Regards

Ouch

 

[faatal]

16k RWG? I don't know. I do know Alloc made this change this week:

Added: Delta encoding for faster world transfer over network

So it might be better, but I don't play RWG. I was thinking of starting one today.

 

[Ouch Quit It]

I know they were unstable at the release of A17....just wanted to see if we could actually do it now.