No, no one can answer this. I imagine that was already obvious. Just take your laptop and hope for the best. Just don't hold your breathe.Hi! Dont mean to be that guy, but i was wondering if anyone has info on whether the stable version is likely to come out before the 26th? Im going away to see family and i must know if i have to take my laptop with me or not.
PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17
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The Gronk
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Short answer? No, very unlikely.Hi! Dont mean to be that guy, but i was wondering if anyone has info on whether the stable version is likely to come out before the 26th? Im going away to see family and i must know if i have to take my laptop with me or not
Long answer? There'll likely be a stable-ish version of experimental available over Christmas, I think the devs have said that is the plan (he says, risking correction from Roland).
If I remember correctly there was a technical reason, i.e. they cost more CPU/GPU-cycles than the other spikes.
More (not mentioned but likely) reasons they also were thinking about:
1) zombies often had their heads vanish in upright placed log spikes
2) it made no sense that upside down log spikes also damage
3) they brought no new functionality, they were just copies of the other spikes with different health and damage
Sure, there are other ways to fix some of the problems. But removing them fixes all of above. And you can always add more varietes of the normal wood spikes in later alphas if there is a need for variety,
Judging by other tools and weapons, basic Auger will need mods to be really "super-special". The game will have a lot more mods in the future.
I didn't test 16k yet, but I would expect the new system to only make generation take long and the first time you log into a server (because the map has to be downloaded to your client). A local game and further logins to a server should be as fast as navezgane (as far as I understand the changes to RWG).
But Kinjakuu isn't finished with RWG yet, this might not work yet or not be optimised to only load what is really necessary.
Do you have 16G RAM? If not, check your RAM usage, maybe you are already swapping to disk.
And really check the log whether you get errors in there. Compare to a log you generated by playing Navezgane. You don't need to really understand everything in a log, you just need to be able to recognize unusual lines. So read logs from time to time, you automatically will get the wisdom to see the unexpected.
lord_ahriman
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I know you guys are working hard, faatal. It was just my opinion and I'm pretty conscious that the new system will take some time to be better implemented.
That's why I think the new system could have lvl gate, but one that only decreases skill points cost if a player is on specific lvl. So if such perk is original from INT 8 (lvl 60 as B221) it would cost a lot to get it if the player is lvl 20, but let's say I'm playing like B221 and such lvling up all perks slowly when I reach lvl 60 that INT 8 would only cost 1 skill point. It could make possible a sp to specialize, but also playing slowly through all the perks and being able to be at least relatively good in all 5 big perks. I think it's a possible solution because like you said sp game could turn into a mp game. I'll admit, I don't like lvl gates, but I'd rather play this way than spending a truck load of skill points in order to be "God" on something.
n2n1
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So this is a map of the Moscow Metro !!!
Need to add "Ring Line" and it will be indistinguishable
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Thanks You! I'm not familiar with the MP, but You're the first person who's bothered to explain it to me
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Ricowan
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For the most part I'm liking the changes in this latest build. The only real issue I have (and it's not unique to B233) is the fact that I can't cook any food unless I buy a perk. I can somehow instinctively weave a set of clothing and a sleeping bag, boil up a pot of water and fill a bunch of jars with the clean water, but boiling a damn egg is somehow beyond me?
Can a Pimp please comment on this?
Can a Pimp please comment on this?
Boidster
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YES. My first "Tier 1 Clear" quest was a tiny garage with like 6 wolves (one of them seemed awfully large, but not black so not a dire wolf?), and 2 or 3 zombies in it. My level-4, stone-arrow-shooting self took down the first wolf with 14 HP to spare. I ran out into the street but didn't "leave the area" I guess so I snuck back onto the garage property and licked my wounds up to about 40HP. Used my one freebie med bandage and a bacon-n-eggs.
Then I nerd-poled to the roof, broke out a (lucky choice) roof block and found a searchable bag in the rafters. Got a shotgun and 10 shells. One-shotted (sneak shot) the big-ass wolf through the roof and then all hell broke loose down there. Wolves fighting zombies, zombies fighting wolves, cars exploding, it was a mess.
The 3 surviving wolves must've been injured because I was able to take them down with 1 or 2 stone arrows.
The whole thing was a blast, but still I'm not sure having 5 wolves in a Tier 1 quest is very balanced. They'll fix it.
Ooooh. The ONE TIME I left my old world in place (between 231 and 233) and it bites me. Literally. I figured hey it's just a hotfix for some thing, surely I can keep the world I created 4 hours ago. >sigh< Alright I'll start again.
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Boidster
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I'm not a pimp, I'm a square, but my guess is that this falls under gameplay > realism. Food is an absolutely critical resource in this game so they need a way to require some level progression for all but the most meager food items (charred meat and boiled water). So it's not so much trying to simulate "derp you can't even boil an egg" it's more "you can't get guaranteed-salmonella-free, healthful, and filling food until you've EARNED IT N00B!"
An alternative which would accomplish the same thing is to reduce the food value of boiled eggs and then remove them from the perk-only list. Make 'em 10% food poisoning chance (how long was that egg sitting in that nest before you found it anyway?) and only restore 3 or 5 health.
And for the record, I attended the Culinary Institute of America for two years before they would let me even see the refrigerator where they kept the bacon. Bacon and eggs!?! Grad students only...
(The previous anecdote was completely fabricated from 10 paper, 5 plant fiber, and a human turd.)
wolffblood
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Idk, I find the variety of dungeons to be pleasing. There are also some of these new dungeon POIs that basically is start in a basement, go up into a room, go to next room, go to attic. And it's pretty open spaced, good starting place if you don't want to build your own. Yes, little more linear and not so open to go where you want, but not bad. Just got to find the right ones it seems. Even with all the restarts, it seems like even going through the same POI isn't ever the same experience.
Now adding some of the old POIs back in, sure, it'd be nice, maybe, but a very small amount, like maybe, maybe 5% for me, if that. I just didn't like being able to stand at a door, see all the zombies, 1 shot them all, repeat next room, do that till all cleared. The dungeon style makes me have to stop and think more how I'd want to proceed. Then if a wandering horde pops up, it becomes even more intense than before. Or when trying to run away, make a wrong turn, now you're in a bathroom or a dead end room. Now it's, crap, I NEED OUT, and now scrambling to rectify that wrong turn.
Now adding some of the old POIs back in, sure, it'd be nice, maybe, but a very small amount, like maybe, maybe 5% for me, if that. I just didn't like being able to stand at a door, see all the zombies, 1 shot them all, repeat next room, do that till all cleared. The dungeon style makes me have to stop and think more how I'd want to proceed. Then if a wandering horde pops up, it becomes even more intense than before. Or when trying to run away, make a wrong turn, now you're in a bathroom or a dead end room. Now it's, crap, I NEED OUT, and now scrambling to rectify that wrong turn.
HungryZombie
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I'm not sure what your complaint is exactly. Do you not like the idea of having tiers of food behind perks at all or is it you just object to them calling it a boiled egg? Would changing the name something else make it feel better to you like eggs Benedict or something that seems like it's harder to make?
wolffblood
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I can see Rico's concern in the realistic sense, but game play sense I see TFP's point, too. Especially since you can find things to eat as is. Anyways, I find Bacon and Eggs at Chef 1 to be a bit early for the fact of it arguably being one of the best foods you can make, and being able to get it instantly is crazy. 5 meat, 2 eggs, no time at all to make and gives 36 max stamina, it's crazy.
Boidster
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My co-op partner is always reminding me "look for the light, it shows the way in". I dunno though...why would I go into what I know is a trap-laden, monster-infested building using the entrance marked "Victims Enter Here --->"? I've played enough D&D to know that the obvious and easily-lockpicked door is NOT the way to enter the dungeon. Especially not when you've got a +3 Fireaxe Of Chopping to go in through the roof.
Step 1: Bust out any ground-level windows (or punch holes in the wall) and snipe any visible sleepers
Step 2: Nerd-pole to the roof, snipe any sleepers up there
Step 3: Bust holes in the roof, snipe any sleepers on 2nd floor
Step 4: ...
Step 5: Profit!
They ought to give some dungeons the Trader invulnerability treatment, to foil my plans.
Step 1: Bust out any ground-level windows (or punch holes in the wall) and snipe any visible sleepers
Step 2: Nerd-pole to the roof, snipe any sleepers up there
Step 3: Bust holes in the roof, snipe any sleepers on 2nd floor
Step 4: ...
Step 5: Profit!
They ought to give some dungeons the Trader invulnerability treatment, to foil my plans.
wolffblood
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But see, that's the joy of the new dungeons. You are free to do that if you wish, I'm free to go through it as a dumb human to enjoy the dungeon. But irl, I'd do it your way, lol. My way just is way more fun for me for the game. Now maybe they should make it like the trader invulnerable on a few or even randomize it, that way the same type of POI is invulnerable in one place but not down the road at another. Granted, the lights is a bit much because I feel these dungeons are so linear, that you end up going the right way without following the lights. There's not many that allow you to choose different ways to go to get to the same area (this is without destroying blocks). I see it more as a scare factor than anything. Light barely showing, but just behind it, you see a silhouette. What is that? A zombie? A player? A dead guy? OH DAMN!!!! RUUUUUUN!
Please consider add level gates back, without it we're back at A16 end game before day 10, bored at day 20.
If you start a game, do the basic quests, get 1 point into crusher and anoter into rex so you can easily deal with zombies then go to the trader. After that you need to kill only 51 arlenes to have enough points for the forge. Just need farm boulder for the anvil, get you farm started and well congrats day 2 or 3 you're out of early game.
Don't listen that much for people complaining, if they want all challenge removed from the game there are options for that like creative, disable enemies, zombies always walk... plenty options to make it easier, there is no reason to dumb down everything like A16.
Please consider this, most people complained about the same issue during A16. You guys released a great A17 experimental and then update after update looks more like A16, which is sad.
If you start a game, do the basic quests, get 1 point into crusher and anoter into rex so you can easily deal with zombies then go to the trader. After that you need to kill only 51 arlenes to have enough points for the forge. Just need farm boulder for the anvil, get you farm started and well congrats day 2 or 3 you're out of early game.
Don't listen that much for people complaining, if they want all challenge removed from the game there are options for that like creative, disable enemies, zombies always walk... plenty options to make it easier, there is no reason to dumb down everything like A16.
Please consider this, most people complained about the same issue during A16. You guys released a great A17 experimental and then update after update looks more like A16, which is sad.
I agree, the first couple of alpha 17 releases were great it felt like a new game to me. Granted it is still good it just seems a little too easy at this point. I am on day 3 of my server and I am already crafting level 3 iron tools with points in other areas. It is just an opinion of mine don't take it the wrong way.
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