PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17

[sadpickle]

All of these complaints on building and the forge has me cooking up an idea.
Why not unlock that forge on day one. Let them have it. They can make concrete on day one, cement mix etc. Lock the tools if need be.

BUT

consolidate the build path. Force the concrete builders to go through the wood path first then the scrap path into cobble and then concrete. Their only limitation then is how hard they work to get it done.

I've always felt wood should be sustainable for a few days. It's a survival game right? Wood shacks/shelters should be the first thing people try to make. Followed by upgrading it.

I'm alright with this. The upgrade path for wood is wonky though. It you could go from wood to concrete, it would feel better. As it stands I would probably rebuild from cobble if wood still upgraded to iron.

 

[dantheman33333]

one question guys, since i cant scroll back the last 200 pages, if the answer was here before.

latest experimental is kind of an early access to a17? accepting, that it still might be a little buggy?

if so, can the savegame be continued in a17 then or do i still have to start a new game?

 

[JaxTeller718]

Without mods what difference is there between a level 1 and level 5 sniper rifle? Why is a level 5 one all you need? Is it the extra durability that makes the difference from a level 1 gun?

Nope the perks. Thats where the REAL quality of the weapon comes from

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Adding in the Scrap part would just be mean Iron is pretty darn scarce in early game. But somehow I think you know that Jax <ha!>
But I have always wondered why 'wood' was basically just for internals. I think if it were a viable very early game build then it would add to progression.

Personally I'd rather see additional Stations like you & WoW do. A Primitive Forge to cook Iron. Advanced Smelter for Steel. I'm okay with slower progession if there's still -progression-. Atm it feels like there's a fair number of 'bits' missing that would/could liven up early game while still having something to work for in middle & late game.

I like this as well. Unlock the forge at day 1-5 for making lower tier mats including concrete. Then a second upgraded forge like a blacksmith station you can lock to 20 or 30 that makes forged iron and steel perhaps.

 

[canadianbluebeer]

So far Durability & number of Mod slots seem to be the only differences.
And w firearms having multiple thousands of durability, that alone doesn't intice me to 'upgrade' unless I loot it.

Lower Durability but heavy use items like axe, pick, melee weapon; for those more durability is worth an upgrade as it comes. At least to me since it means I can likely save a backpack spot by not having to pack around repair mats.

modslots = quallvl -1 , that' what it's supposed to have.

Each mod also ups the damage.

For the sniper (MR10) silencer, scope, bipod, magazine, light or auto/burst)

So yes, more durability (4400 to 8800, 21 degredation per shot)

and purple is cooler than grey.

 

[HerrKingsley]

I would be fine with a makeshift forge from day one that could produce better tools than stone.

But I dont see any need for concrete first week if bm hordes would be more balanced.

What I mean is if gs is tied to AI and blockdamage. The higher gs the smarter base you have to build. Like these new bases we have seen in threads.

 

[GARGEAN]

Nope the perks. Thats where the REAL quality of the weapon comes from

And this is where this "Buy a perk!" mentality i mentioned before strikes again...

 

[dantheman33333]

one question guys, since i cant scroll back the last 200 pages, if the answer was here before.latest experimental is kind of an early access to a17? accepting, that it still might be a little buggy?

if so, can the savegame be continued in a17 then or do i still have to start a new game?

again the question

 

[FileMachete]

Fwiw. Jax got me wondering about Iron. Did the maths, scratched my head. wth-eck? thought some might find it interesting...

I've mined approx 16,000+ Stone this playthrough. Maybe only 10 Boulders? Majority was below ground. Bought Mother Lode & Miner 69er as early as possible. Total Iron Ore mined is about ~1,000. So cooked up would be 5,000 Iron or 500 Forged Iron. Made an axe, pick, hoe & hammer so used 20+20+16+12=68. Could build Two rows of Metal Spikes for a 7x7 for 288 Forged Iron. Three rows would take 480.

Upgrading Wood w Iron or making Scrap Frames in Forge is similar Iron cost wise. Upgrading Wood costs ~8 wood then Iron costs 12, 40 & 40. Scrap Frames cost 15 Iron in Forge then 40 & 40. So using 92 Iron as an upgrade cost the 5,000 Iron I could have would only upgrade 54 blocks. Those blocks would have 2,000 total hps. (2 'layers' of 1,000 hps each).

Looking at Flagstone to Cobblestone. 1 Stone + 1 Clay/dirt = 1 Cobblestone. 1 Flagstone block takes 4 Cobb. Upgrading Flag to Cobb take 10 Cobblestone. Cobb blocks have 1,500 hps total; no degrade path so broken = gone.

Say I'd used half the time mining stone to dig dirt. (know it's not that but as an example) 8,000 Stone & Dirt so 8k Cobblestone Rocks. Need 14 to make then upgrade so could build 571 Cobblestone blocks.

Currently the next upgrade for either top-lvl-Scrap-Iron or Cobblestone is Concrete.

Definately suprised me. Iron felt pretty scarce but.., wowsa. Definately not an early game building material for me

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@canadianbluebeer, good additional info. Hadn't realized the per shot degradation was >1, good to know!

 

[Kosmic Kerman]

again the question

Always plan on starting a new game for the stable release.

 

[wildaxeman1]

one question guys, since i cant scroll back the last 200 pages, if the answer was here before.latest experimental is kind of an early access to a17? accepting, that it still might be a little buggy?

if so, can the savegame be continued in a17 then or do i still have to start a new game?

it is recomended to wipe all game files after every update. you may be able to play between a17 builds but it may cause errors and wierd stuff in game.

 

[Moldy Bread]

OMG I was wrong... I got back to A16.... and I just replaced my 457 long gun barrell with a 469... HOW EFFING COOL IS THAT?

Wanna counter my points? Maybe make a better argument? Because you are not winning me over.

Also, what you call "whining" I call fair criticism.

 

[wildaxeman1]

Moldy Bread, each hes own style. there is no wrong or right. btw, you can sell leftover guns. find more traders and sell stuff. i heard, that you can scrap guns for other parts like mechanical or something. try it, may be useful

 

[Moldy Bread]

I have, it's just not interesting to me. Making tokens is easy and getting parts is also easy. Once I got a gun... That's it, there's nothing more to it.

 

[Thecolours]

All of these complaints on building and the forge has me cooking up an idea.
Why not unlock that forge on day one. Let them have it. They can make concrete on day one, cement mix etc. Lock the tools if need be.

BUT

consolidate the build path. Force the concrete builders to go through the wood path first then the scrap path into cobble and then concrete. Their only limitation then is how hard they work to get it done.

I've always felt wood should be sustainable for a few days. It's a survival game right? Wood shacks/shelters should be the first thing people try to make. Followed by upgrading it.

I can get behind this. Make a perk tree for building blocks. Makes sense considering everything else is gated behind tiers.

 

[wildaxeman1]

All of these complaints on building and the forge has me cooking up an idea.
Why not unlock that forge on day one. Let them have it. They can make concrete on day one, cement mix etc. Lock the tools if need be.

BUT

consolidate the build path. Force the concrete builders to go through the wood path first then the scrap path into cobble and then concrete. Their only limitation then is how hard they work to get it done.

I've always felt wood should be sustainable for a few days. It's a survival game right? Wood shacks/shelters should be the first thing people try to make. Followed by upgrading it.

right, but it is very primitive forge. you can smelt scrap iron, but not ore. make cement and few essentials, like cooking pot, grill. maybe nails. proper forge with all recepies still behind lvl 20. or something like that.

 

[Thecolours]

I thought the new zombie A.I. was supposed to reck poi's if you tried to hide on the roof during horde nights? From my playthrough and every content creator I've watched, I haven't seen this behavior reach a level where they are a real threat to taken down poi's.

 

[beerfly]

On the edge mate, on the edge.
If you don't learn respect I'll let my pet granite loose on ya!

I`m with you. But honestly, thought your pet is called Rocky. Boop Granite on the nose from me.

 

[Death Wish]

Wait a sec, who here hasn't got amnesia??

 

[DaVegaNL]

I`m with you. But honestly, thought your pet is called Rocky. Boop Granite on the nose from me.

Yeah she doesn't like it when I call her Rocky..

So I'll have to use her real name. Hendricka-Fredericka.

 

[Pico]

Question:
Will Cooking be expanded & balanced? I know this is still not the public release, but I don't really see an incentive to go beyond the 1st level of Master Chef.

Yeah, I tend to agree, but for those folks who like to amp out their character for endless stamina, they'll want to get to grandpa's secret recipies.

Myself, I'm just curious to know what mutated corn is used for.