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Does anyone know if it's intended (or a bug) for Zombies Never Run to also apply to 7th nights now?

In previous alphas, zombies always ran on the blood moon horde regardless of your choice, but now it's respecting that setting. I don't remember seeing anything about whether it was an intentional change or not.

 
Ran a test, I removed all level gates for all the attributes.

I put a few points on other things but mainly focused on fortitude perks. Let me tell you, I was one tough mo-fo! Too tough.

So, at least some level gating is a good idea. Less than what it is now, but I don't know what the balance point is.

 
Ran a test, I removed all level gates for all the attributes.
I put a few points on other things but mainly focused on fortitude perks. Let me tell you, I was one tough mo-fo! Too tough.

So, at least some level gating is a good idea. Less than what it is now, but I don't know what the balance point is.
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Yeah I'm only on my fourth week in the game and I can already tell that i'm gonna be OP really soon. Game hasn't even got close to killing me yet. With all the talk about how hard and slow the game is - my actual concern is that the game gets too easy pretty quickly in fact. But - I know I'll be in the minority - at least for awhile - so I'll just keep my mouth shut.

 
Ran a test, I removed all level gates for all the attributes.
I put a few points on other things but mainly focused on fortitude perks. Let me tell you, I was one tough mo-fo! Too tough.

So, at least some level gating is a good idea. Less than what it is now, but I don't know what the balance point is.
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That's why just removing the level gates is not a good idea. If you do that by the time you reach level 10 you'll be able to max out 1 of the top stats (let's say intellect) and by the time you reach level 20 (which is easy) you'll be able craft like every mod or something (well in that particular example you need schematics (I think) but you get my point). That's why the system needs a little bit of rework. With the system I suggested you may become level 40 or level 100 by the time you become specialist in crafting (and it can be modified how fast you can level these) if you only do crafting and disassembling BUT that way you will be weak at other things like fighting, gathering materials, etc.

The current system is really hard to modify and tweak especially if you want to make people do different things and not just do the same thing over and over (the thing that gives most XP (killing zeds atm)).

 
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Yeah I'm only on my fourth week in the game and I can already tell that i'm gonna be OP really soon. Game hasn't even got close to killing me yet. With all the talk about how hard and slow the game is - my actual concern is that the game gets too easy pretty quickly in fact. But - I know I'll be in the minority - at least for awhile - so I'll just keep my mouth shut.
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Game stage goes up to around 5000. I would like to see a playthrough of one day in the life of people up that far. :D

 
Does anyone know if it's intended (or a bug) for Zombies Never Run to also apply to 7th nights now?
In previous alphas, zombies always ran on the blood moon horde regardless of your choice, but now it's respecting that setting. I don't remember seeing anything about whether it was an intentional change or not.
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They always walked for me in A16.4 when I did never run. Only ones that did run were the ferals.

 
HALK mode for armor, it is awesome!!! )))

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! omg what did I just watch, is that a real armor mod? Whoa, so THAT is how you make a gap entrance to your base the Z can't cross but you can. So, no broken legs upon landing? That's so dang high. Wait, I need to watch that again...

 
Does anyone know if it's intended (or a bug) for Zombies Never Run to also apply to 7th nights now?
In previous alphas, zombies always ran on the blood moon horde regardless of your choice, but now it's respecting that setting. I don't remember seeing anything about whether it was an intentional change or not.
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Oh, I thought they ran on BM too, even with running off. I usually keep running on, HOWEVER I caved and turned it off because the AI is so damn good now that if I so much as make a jar of water at night the next thing I know I have Z bee-lining up into my attic base one after the other, made every night feel like Blood Moon, it was too much, I couldn't get anything done and was constantly dealing with that crazy long death debuff.

But I think it's fine, preferable even, on Blood Moons, even if for the challenge alone. I'm about to face my 14 day, running was still active on my first one. If it is too lame I might at least reset it to run for BMs, then back to nope in between. I rly don't know how they freaking find me so easily, and precisely, with the slightest noise, I'm up pretty high with no line of sight, and there's a decent maze of house to get up to me, but still they run up and freak me the F out, use up all my ammo, which just attracts more. I was dying, a lot. Every. Dang. Night.

 
My experience with Unity store assets is they are ok to quickly prototype something, but usually are not optimized and aren't just a drag and drop in experience. Especially with our game, its more like the 7 days engine and unity is a small subset of code. Usually they aren't worth the effort to try and get them in. By the time you do that you could have coded your own that does exactly what you wanted it to without bloatware. (UMA, UFPS) Then there are the performance considerations.
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@ZehMatt As an asset store publisher I sort of agree, depends on the asset though. Personally I think A* pathfinding project is to complex for most uses, Unity's own A* pathfinding (that you find on GitHub) in my opinion is far superior but most people don't know about it. The only thing UFPS really has going for it is the procedural camera bobs/shakes and UMA is open sourced so is a bit messy (at least since I used it last). As it stands it would probably take way to much time to upgrade 7DTD to UFPS 2 considering they have already modified a lot of the code for their project but UMA to MCS might take me a day to two. The asset store you either need to publish very niche or very broad to cover use cases.

My experience on the store is, don't publish anything with stock art and don't add any more scripted extensions than necessary. Users will recognize stock art and feel standard settings for things like UFPS. Currently I'm writing a tool to upgrade all textures in a scene/project to PBR and optimize 3D assets in which users wont notice and developers don't need to extend, assets like that are preferred. It is a shame that people think they can just buy things and make a game out of it, you can but probably shouldn't.

btw @madmole if you still are upgrading PBR textures after December hit me up, my tool will make things 100 times faster (still writing the custom editor).

 
Hate to tell ya, but the trickle is still there, and actually, the spawning literally stopped for my friend and I in our blood moon at 11:something PM. This was in b199 -- just happened earlier today.
Just saw you said they're not infinite during horde nights, sorry lol. I do think that it should be infinite during blood moon hordes, it's supposed to be the night of Hell *shrug*. I can always edit the XML but still, I think the "Be prepared to die" factor would drive more people to be interested in it (future attraction of players). Just my thinking, although.
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6 hours of zombies would just be too hard early on. Their block damage would overwhelm more so than it already does. Less block damage, but more zombies could work, but we are still doing a ton of balance changes. It is Saturday, but many of us are chatting away on Skype about all these issues. Give it a few weeks and I think it will be much better balanced, but there will always be people who don't like where we end up.

 
6 hours of zombies would just be too hard early on. Their block damage would overwhelm more so than it already does. Less block damage, but more zombies could work, but we are still doing a ton of balance changes. It is Saturday, but many of us are chatting away on Skype about all these issues. Give it a few weeks and I think it will be much better balanced, but there will always be people who don't like where we end up.
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Assuming difficulty was the same and I had my choice... I would want more zombies and less block damage... rather than less zombies and higher block damage.

 
Made an iron pick have 1 skill in miner 49. My stone axe is doing the same damage to a stone as the iron pick is?Anyone else getting this?

 
Well most of us dont play this game as a realistic life simulator :smile-new: ye true maybe selling unlimited guns is not realistic but it would be a better game decision. The stuff i looted was hard work and i dont wanna scrap all this stuff because i cant sell them. Finding good stuff should give you a reward, thats the main motivation too loot all the locations with tens of zombies in it.
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I think part of the problem is way too many guns. I want it to feel more special when I find one, not oh I already found 20 of these. Then when I have one and the ammo to use it, I want to be blowing their heads off.

We have plans to up gun damage, but they are limited by the ammo you can find/make, esp early game. Then later as I'm are feeling tougher, the nastier zombies start balancing that out.

 
actually...barb wire laid horizontally on the surface

below this is iron bars set horizontal bars up.

below this flame throwers to get the party started.

slows em for the fire to work, by the time they fall they are at low health, fall and die or near death. he should still have the fire debuff upon landing. will test.

hopefully, it isnt 33% of current health and is 33% of max. how fat do they need to fall to take the max damage?
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That's the spirit. Find new creative ways to kill them.

It is 33% max health.

 
6 hours of zombies would just be too hard early on. Their block damage would overwhelm more so than it already does. Less block damage, but more zombies could work, but we are still doing a ton of balance changes. It is Saturday, but many of us are chatting away on Skype about all these issues. Give it a few weeks and I think it will be much better balanced, but there will always be people who don't like where we end up.
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Faatal, I saw you mention that when zombies are together they do more block damage...is that a setting exposed in XML?

 
The trader is already a fountain of goodness, doesn't need to be even better. Find more traders and you can sell more of the same item. And really, if you find so many of a single item it follows it isn't really the GOOD stuff.
Developers also said the next alpha will have A LOT more items which should also decrease the chance to find only dozens of pistols

Maybe record your complete play sessions. If it happens again, cut the video to the relevant sequence and post it with the logfile in the bug section. It is possible that this happens only in specific circumstances that don't occur in Fataals tests.

My guess: They changed it so LMB is always the primary, most applicable, action.I.e. if you focus on a plant you want to harvest it almost always. Same with med packs: If you have a med pack selected you normally want to use it.

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I think it is minimum of %33 of max health and 50% of current health. So basically a zombie can never die from it but be reduced to 1 HP. And if they round down, a zombie with 1 HP finally really dies fromt he fall
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The 50% is just vs the damage a player would take. It rounds up.

 
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