PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17
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toores
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I actually agree with that.
And I don't consider holding down a shift key much of a pain. In my own experience, when my hand gets tired it's usually due to pressing buttons much harder than it's needed.
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Also it would be cool to have clothing get wet (every slot fill up like a wetness bar - like in the long dark), that would freeze over in the snow but would cool you in the desert while it dries.
The Gronk
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Unless you place sewers under the roads, as modern cities tend to do, you'll end up with random building collapses. The reason cities tend to place sewers under roads is to prevent random building collapses and allow for easier access.
The choice is then to crudely lever the POI system to operate below the ground or write an algorithm to generate sewers at runtime. The latter would be easier.
Johnnyfarmer313
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I believe in like Alpha 14-15 there were HUGE sewers under towns and cities and they were pretty deep and nothing was collapsing ^^.
Doombringer101
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I assume he is referring to Slaanhatten, essentially a handmade city. It had some pretty awesome sewers.
The Gronk
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I think it may be this mod by the same author. Good work but a little crude in the implementation, not really surprising given the underlying engine really wasn't meant to do such a thing.
https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?32929-Fully-connected-sewer-subway-syetem-for-random-gen-cities
Doombringer101
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That's more likely, I never actually tried that mod but I did explore Slaanhatten's laggy greatness
Gareee
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Just guessing, but if the new larger puzzle pois increase generation time, then adding swers would be the same kind of generation hit.
That said, maybe a18 could be the underground update? They could focus on the perlin cave system, underground pois, and large city sewer system generation. I would think you would only really need maybe a dozen pois that are tiled for the entire understreet system, with maybe a few specialty ones like a big cistern with a bunch of sleepers, or a big underground water treatment plant.
That would also give the code monkeys more time to really sort out bandits and the quest systems, but it would give us a new update in much less time that a17 and give us a significant addition to play without a huge development time hit.
An interesting addition might be a collapsed street poi leading down into the sewers, blocking off easy access to some parts of it. Manhole access could be every few city blocks, making it a little harder to explore the entire thing.
If pois can be stacked in rgw, they could even add underground storage rooms with sidewalk access (like they used to use in large cities.)
When I worked in Cleveland, we had a big steel door in the basement of the store I worked in. We learned that the city actually had an underground access tunnel under the sidewalks, which connected to store rooms under each store. They all had steel doors between them separating them. Deliveries would use an elevator in the middle of the sidewalk. (covered by a steel grate when closed)
We actually found the store key to the system, and went in one day after hours. It was ungodly creepy, and we didn't go further than two or three storerooms down because it just was THAT creepy.
I just present the idea because there is a lot that can pretty easily be added underground, and thats one of the things we love about minecraft still... the underground doubles rwg exploration.
And now that we have the gyrocopter, I really want the code repurposed for a parasail to quickly descend from tall skyscrapers. If link can do it in BOTW, we should be able to do it as well in 7 Days.
(explosive crossbow bolt elevation boosts could even be added to keep from descending onto a zombie bear or ferals!)
That said, maybe a18 could be the underground update? They could focus on the perlin cave system, underground pois, and large city sewer system generation. I would think you would only really need maybe a dozen pois that are tiled for the entire understreet system, with maybe a few specialty ones like a big cistern with a bunch of sleepers, or a big underground water treatment plant.
That would also give the code monkeys more time to really sort out bandits and the quest systems, but it would give us a new update in much less time that a17 and give us a significant addition to play without a huge development time hit.
An interesting addition might be a collapsed street poi leading down into the sewers, blocking off easy access to some parts of it. Manhole access could be every few city blocks, making it a little harder to explore the entire thing.
If pois can be stacked in rgw, they could even add underground storage rooms with sidewalk access (like they used to use in large cities.)
When I worked in Cleveland, we had a big steel door in the basement of the store I worked in. We learned that the city actually had an underground access tunnel under the sidewalks, which connected to store rooms under each store. They all had steel doors between them separating them. Deliveries would use an elevator in the middle of the sidewalk. (covered by a steel grate when closed)
We actually found the store key to the system, and went in one day after hours. It was ungodly creepy, and we didn't go further than two or three storerooms down because it just was THAT creepy.
I just present the idea because there is a lot that can pretty easily be added underground, and thats one of the things we love about minecraft still... the underground doubles rwg exploration.
And now that we have the gyrocopter, I really want the code repurposed for a parasail to quickly descend from tall skyscrapers. If link can do it in BOTW, we should be able to do it as well in 7 Days.
(explosive crossbow bolt elevation boosts could even be added to keep from descending onto a zombie bear or ferals!)
Aldranon
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So for sewers below a street, you could basically have buildings that are actually laying on their side and submerged with one side at ground level..
Make it as wide as a regular street to allow different sewer layouts.
You would need:
A straight section,
A "T" section,
A + section,
and two corner sections.
Don't allow it to build sewers on any town on a slope as it might look bad. Could work
***Also have one side of the building look like an asphalt street. It would be large enough to have quite a few interior layouts too!
And done!***
Make it as wide as a regular street to allow different sewer layouts.
You would need:
A straight section,
A "T" section,
A + section,
and two corner sections.
Don't allow it to build sewers on any town on a slope as it might look bad. Could work
***Also have one side of the building look like an asphalt street. It would be large enough to have quite a few interior layouts too!
And done!***
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We still need an airport POI too. I had made 2 of them...a suburban one and a rural one. I believe they were added to one of the combo pack awhile ago. I will post pictures later. Even had a helipad for the gyrocopter.
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Mine were less than 200x200 ..whatever the max was for adding them.
Guppy had a motocross track...that was awesome!!
wolffblood
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I'm thinking it's due to how stuff loads in. I know another guy earlier is making that aircraft carrier and having the same issue. It's too large for the chunks, so it never loads in if it's one piece, so he has to load it in as 2 pieces. I'm guessing that would be the same issue here, unless you could somehow make it to where those pieces ALWAYS load in connected, but I wouldn't know where to start with that to make sure the blocks are lined up. I could be wrong. You'd think it'd be one large POI, but made up of lots of smaller ones. Again, one reason I can't wait for this to be able to fully take a map hand made like Navezgane from other people. Things will be placed with a bit more reason. Random just seems too random for me, doesn't make much sense where things are located. I think some of that's been improved with A17 with the bits we've heard.
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So it is because of size. Is there a way for POIs to know what other POIs it should go with or how to line up?
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