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[*]a thing that is worth buying because it may be profitable or useful in the future.

[*]an act of devoting time, effort, or energy to a particular undertaking with the expectation of a worthwhile result.

We are most certainly bullet points 2 and 3.
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Bullet 2: In 16 alphas and access to it now it is and has been useful.

Bullet 3: Again in all the hours played since it started the worthwhile result has already been satisfied. ( I mean that on a person to person value. Even if they only played for 10 hours)

Not trying to pick a fight with you, I promise. But peoples sense of what TFP 'owes' them is very inaccurate.

 
Bullet 2: In 16 alphas and access to it now it is and has been useful. Bullet 3: Again in all the hours played since it started the worthwhile result has already been satisfied.

Not trying to pick a fight with you, I promise. But peoples sense of what TFP 'owes' them is very inaccurate.
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I hear ya. Though I really don't agree with someone asking for support, and large sums of financial support at that, to get where they want to go, and being able to get away with being rude or thoughtless to the people who invested in them.

Dude... That's just... Cold.

I get sometimes it easy to forget that these swarms of people who piss and moan, rant and rave, cheer and wave, are the very same people who at one point said:

"Man... I like you. I like the way you think. Yeah man, I got 5 on it..."...

And then paid their 29.95, 39.95, 49.95, whatever to be a part of it.

I don't mean to pick a fight either. *shrug*

 
Man... Do you people value your experiences in life, even if it's a game, so little? Kinda sad. :(
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Hang on. You put out a statement as fact about being investors. This isnt true in the slightest.

And now you want to turn it to about life experiences being valued? Pfft.

What is sad is people demanding to be listened to when they think they are owed something.

 
Hang on. You put out a statement as fact about being investors. This isnt true in the slightest.And now you want to turn it to about life experiences being valued? Pfft.

What is sad is people demanding to be listened to when they think they are owed something.
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Hold on. I never said my opinion was fact. I expressly started that post stating I didn't share a view, and then went on to share my view. If you don't like my view and want to get your panties in a bunch, knock yerself out.

If you want me to be more clear about my views and facts, fine I'll give it a shot... Maybe. I'm a customer. Piss off.

But what is absolutely a fact, is that Early Access IS the 2nd beggar stage. And we all offered our support.

 
No they are not.
Investor: An investor is a person that allocates capital with the expectation of a future financial return.

That is not what we are.
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Wrong. The return in this case is a bad ass game, entertainment, not financial. We're still investors. Fact.

 
3 Months ago I descided "meh! alpha is right around the corner... lets stop playing!"

just wanted to leave that here.

Just for future devs:

dont implement big changes like updating an engine or switching it completly, when you have already planned to release it soon.

You never know how big the problems will be that you cause.

Luckily i have worlds adrift and SCUM to play for now... but im still pretty disappointed that there is absolutely no feedback.

 
3 Months ago I descided "meh! alpha is right around the corner... lets stop playing!"
just wanted to leave that here.

Just for future devs:

dont implement big changes like updating an engine or switching it completly, when you have already planned to release it soon.

You never know how big the problems will be that you cause.

Luckily i have worlds adrift and SCUM to play for now... but im still pretty disappointed that there is absolutely no feedback.
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Engine updates happen, but to immediately try to implement loads of new features that the engine allows means the update is going to be too big, and take too long to avoid pissing people off. Then to trick people who bother to take time to search the forums for more information on top of that into thinking that the update will be done sooner? Just throw some salt on the wound. Sounds great.

Not to mention the users who demand we sit down and shut up and take what we're given. This isn't a court of law. No one here gives a flying F about what is LEGALLY OWED.

Consideration for users goes a long way. No one is asking for a handjob here. All we want is some status updates, but instead we get trolled by the actual moderators. COOL. THANKS. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

 
Apologies for not assuming you could extend the definition from it's base word...
The joy of the english my friend...
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Wrong. The return in this case is a bad ass game, entertainment, not financial. We're still investors. Fact.
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So if I send money to Bethesda for Fallout 3 and they send me Fallout 3, I'm an investor, because I payed and the return in that case was a bad ass game, entertainment, not financial?

You are not helping a discussion if you highjack words with a very specific meaning and try to put your own spin on it. You have to be very clear that you try to redefine the term.

 
Yea what he was saying is that an investment return could be something other than money. Not that hard to figure out.
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But the GIF did crack me up. lol. So all good. :D

I'm cool to let it rest with stuff like that. LoL

 
So if I send money to Bethesda for Fallout 3 and they send me Fallout 3, I'm an investor, because I payed and the return in that case was a bad ass game, entertainment, not financial?
You are not helping a discussion if you highjack words with a very specific meaning and try to put your own spin on it. You have to be very clear that you try to redefine the term.
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Fallout 3 didn't start with a Kickstarter and an Early Access did it?

If so, then yes. Yes you are.

On a side note I'm genuinely curious of your motivation here.

Why are you so keen in not acknowledging your own contribution to 7D2D? Or any early access game?

Any game that went into early access, never... ever... reaches their end goal without getting properly funded by that early access. They all end in "Well we ran out of money. We really wanted to..."

And I'm not even trying to be an ass. I really want to understand. :-/

--- TOTALLY MISSED A MAJOR PART OF MY POINT THERE! lol. Oops. ---

 
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Wrong. The return in this case is a bad ass game, entertainment, not financial. We're still investors. Fact.
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Even you weasel your way into the definition of an investor, another fact is that investments are risky and you could lose 100 percent of your money and get nothing.

 
I wonder what bugs are stopping them right now
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I'm still waiting for my Ovaltine decoder ring to be able to decypher the latest set of emojis. I'll let you know what I find at some undefined point in the future.

 
Even you weasel your way into the definition of an investor, another fact is that investments are risky and you could lose 100 percent of your money and get nothing.
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Well no matter how you weasel your way into a conversation, you're right.

Now how do investors react when you don't treat them well? Why not ask Elon Musk? Even that dude learned his lesson.

 
Well no matter how you weasel your way into a conversation, you're right.
Now how do investors react when you don't treat them well? Why not ask Elon Musk? Even that dude learned his lesson.
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You still arent an investor.

The material transaction is you trade money for the software at the time. Thats it. Transaction finished.

Any personal investment, be it time/money/whatever after the initial transaction is returned by your own enjoyment of the product.

TFP could pack up today, and never release another update and they still dont owe you anything. Not even a goodbye.

None of us here are investors in any sense that demands TFP to listen to us, or hold them accountable to decisions.

You keep circling back to it being about personal investment, then you bring up elon which isnt even in the same ball park, let alone suburb, which brings us back to investments of a financial return from profits. Shareholders. etc.

You say people should be specific, but you cant even keep your definitions separated. So which are you going with, personal, or financial? either way, in this specific instance, you're still owed 0.

 
Yea, over a year is too long for an update. However, we are all going to play and enjoy it because face it, there are no other games like this out there. Ive played most of the survival games on steam and none of them has held my attention like 7dtd. Ark, Conan, Rust, bla bla bla. All uninstalled. DayZ, H1Z1, Scum, boooooo ring. So yea, im pissed that its taken so long, but ready and eager to start on a new 7dtd experience. Jax, never you mind! :02.47-tranquillity:

 
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