No, but I will try to check out a few of the videos recommended to me. Somehow, out of boredom, I have watched a few videos of A German visiting The USA for the first time, or A girl from Ireland Came to America for the first time. Or What do British think Southern words mean. What do Asian girls think of BBQ. Some are funny.
PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17
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No, but I will try to check out a few of the videos recommended to me. Somehow, out of boredom, I have watched a few videos of A German visiting The USA for the first time, or A girl from Ireland Came to America for the first time. Or What do British think Southern words mean. What do Asian girls think of BBQ. Some are funny.
NeferPitou
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i don t know why TFP are keep ignoring the fact that PVP can be such a successful project most of the game nowadays are battleroyal i don t mean that the game should focus 100% on PVP but only 20 % because i don t know where are the stats that saying that PVP players are only 1% in the community because i don t believe that at all
if you navigate in the server list you find a huge amount of full PVP server list
i am afraid that in the future TFP will do things that could harm PVP player like removing an LCBs who knows right .... just keep in mind that PVP can have such a good potential i ve done a lot of talking about PVP and how it can improved every one is free of what he can play PVP or PVE or SP but we shouldn t completly ignore us
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if you navigate in the server list you find a huge amount of full PVP server list
i am afraid that in the future TFP will do things that could harm PVP player like removing an LCBs who knows right .... just keep in mind that PVP can have such a good potential i ve done a lot of talking about PVP and how it can improved every one is free of what he can play PVP or PVE or SP but we shouldn t completly ignore us
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nope it won t count
Exxodous
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MidnightRook
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LOL I thought that...but I didn't want to put words in your mouth...or anywhere for that matter. Damn keyboard. Ha! I AM however so happy to have you onboard!Well, I sorta assumed I had when I changed my avatar to the boxers
And pushing for the BBQ. Meat's not properly cooked unless it's been kissed by flame
Oh...also...BBQ statement...100% support!
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bloom_meister
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Hi Obsessive, good to see you man.
The problem with TFP and PvP has 2 key elements that are nothing to do with the many true and correct things you point out.
1. Madmole is anti pvp - After years of watching him post i still don't know why, but he is, his ''vision'' is blinkered by what he wants to design but more importantly 'how' he wants people to play. Now sure, its his game and we have to respect that but you really would think that at some point he would wake up and think ''all the most succesfully MP games in the world include or are soley based on PVP (enter various MP PVP games here, its a big list). So why not stop actively dissing PVP players and just support it? More people would play, for longer, revenue would increase and very importantly....
...2. The PVE aspects of the game would not be impacted. And this is the second element, pvp is always positioned as taking away dev time from pve and this is a lie that the more fanatical pve players have come to unthinkingly beleive.
The absolute opposite is actually true, let me give you some examples:
a. 4 new guns are introduced, result? both pve and pvp players are happy because now they have more to do, collect, use. Any balance issues with the new guns (if there are any) won't affect pve players as they THEY DONT SHOOT EACH OTHER
b. 3 new armour sets are introduced, result? both pve and pvp players are happy because now they have more to do, collect, use. Any balance issues with the new armours (if there are any) won't affect pve players as they THEY DONT SHOOT EACH OTHER and both sets of players get the advantages of the new armour vs the zombies
c. A new super tough block above stainless steel is introduced, result? pve players have a new end tier to strive for to build their uber fortresses and pvp players get a new end tier block to strive for to protect their bases from other players
You see almost any new thing that is introduced with either benefit both player types equally or not impact pve players in a negative way and yet this myth that adding some new things pvp players would like somehow screws over pve players still exists because it is fed by a very poor use of language by the devs.
Its simply not true.
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Space4Ace
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Hi Madmole!
What are the chances of seeing another video of your gameplay of A17 "Pre-Experimental" this coming weekend? The first one was awesome and we need more!
Oops! Forgot that it's labor day weekend so, you guys should take a break... Did I really say that? :smile-new:
What are the chances of seeing another video of your gameplay of A17 "Pre-Experimental" this coming weekend? The first one was awesome and we need more!
Oops! Forgot that it's labor day weekend so, you guys should take a break... Did I really say that? :smile-new:
MidnightRook
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...Are you ok?
Andrivullar
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You're forgetting about the thousands of people playing PvP by themselves privately....
But to be serious, all this back and forth about the actual percentage of PvP is irrelevant. The key here is that in the mind of the man responsible for putting out the game, PvP is essentially 1% and single player and MP Cooperative is 99% of what he feels is important for this game. Who cares what the actual tallies are. The developers are making this into a Single Player game first and foremost and a PVE game among friends and family second and any features that happen to benefit PvP are completely coincidental. Even if you could prove that PvP was actually 20% it wouldn't matter in regards to Madmole's approach in developing the game. He decided long ago that for this game PvP would be a non-factor. That's the actual significance of him saying 1%. And with that attitude it wouldn't surprise me if the current percentage really was 1% at this point as Cup's quick ratio seemed to signify.
Any features that would benefit SP and PVE even if it is at the expense and to the detriment of PVP only give the devs 1% pause before they are added with 99% confidence that it is the right thing to do.
Nobody needs to lecture them or help them understand the popularity of PvP or exactly how much more money they would make if this game focused on PvP or how much more longevity this game would have thanks to PvP. They've considered it all and rejected it. They have a vision for what they want this game to be and they have the means to do it. Maybe if the game wasn't so popular as it is they might feel a bit of pressure to listen to the advice to make this game just like every other similar MP game on the market and focus on PVP first. But they don't have to do that because they have succeeded to the point that they can make this game be whatever they want it to be without worry.
If they ever decide to take the core of what they have created here and put out a separate product that is focused on PvP I think that would be fantastic. Contrary to some accusations I don't hate PvP. I just am so thankful that there is at least one game like this on the market that has kept Single Player as its primary focus. I would think that you guys in the "1%" would be satisfied with the fact that 99% of games on the market are designed with you as their primary target. You can let us have this one.
Thanks for clarification, so it is indeed how the other pvpers have stated, and i'll reiterate; "no, ♥♥♥♥ you, you don't matter" Glad to know. I will not be a walking advertisement for this game anymore, sheesh.
bloom_meister
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Roland,
Apologies if this has been answered, I know its been asked a ton but I missed the response if there was one and now A17 is so close this should be easy.
Simple question, how many people can the jeep carry, 1,2,3 or 4.
Simple answer appreciated.
NeferPitou
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OC hello it s me Salim in the game i see your point and saw the pain of the admins when they where trying to fix the bike that were in the game for 3 years without getting fixed until now *hopefully* until it got removed from the server instead creating a teleporting system that alow you to travel from one place to another
i am pvp player and i enjoy more then PVE so much more the feeling of building the perfect base that can be so hard to raid is a challange that we enjoy as PVP player that fact that there is a threat outside your safe and sound base is nothing like PVE because any moment you can be killed not by a zombie running in circles or a horde dying in spikes but too a person just like you who wanna take your loot and fell your pain in a no harmfull way
7D2D never ment to be PVP game i get it but after all the player base that went into it and the thousands of our sepnt on the game they don t deserver just like hey guys we hear you and we are working on it not like this is SP game never meant for PVP like why?
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i guess only the driver
Deceiver101
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he's been posting furiously on the past few pages... and posting that he's older?...Are you ok?
Andrivullar
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What im gathering is that we are going to be constantly ignored regardless, and for that, this game just flops out big time for me. Enough so i'm just going to stop advertising it to my competitive friends. Catering is not what I want; but design flaws of prolonged heavy load map use. Its just ridiculous that brass still isnt craftable [google how brass is made, its not hard; we make steel for godsake.] OR corn glue, or a myriad of other things. But instead of listening, the dearth of yes men take up arms because "no! not the evil pvpers!"
Deceiver101
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Wasn't it confirmed that multi passenger vehicle would be for A 17.x or A18 (if there is one)?
bloom_meister
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Well thought out rebuttal!...Are you ok?
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I think I'll await the official response, but thanks
Roland
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He's not anti pvp. His vision for this game is SP or a small group of buddies playing cooperatively. There is a difference. Perhaps they might decide to make the next game focused primarily on PvP. Not this one though. Why not join the horde of other PvP games on the market? Why not change their vision into something that could be more lucrative and attract hundreds of thousands of people who have a KOS attitude? Because they have been successful enough that they don't have to cave.
Those are very tame examples of adding items to the game. Of course there will be no conflict. But what about digging zombies? I've read some complaints about digging zombies messing up PvP because they will reveal underground bases after horde nights. PvE no problem. PvP big problem. It's not items or blocks that are going to cause problems it is features that cater to one at the expense of another. Most of the complaints about the removal of spam crafting came from PvP players because they (as H0tr0d pointed out) play this game like an RTS min maxing their way to top levels as quickly as possible to gain an advantage over others on the server. Single Players and Co-operative players have no need to rush to the end game. So systems put in place that create a slow progression are criticized by the PvP crowd as "too grindy" and "lazy programming" because it thwarts them from leveling at top speed like they need to to be competitive. SP and Co-op people who enjoy the slow pace of progressing their character as they survive day to day in the world are just fine with it. But sure, more guns, more armor, and a higher tier block won't harm either group. Nice finds.
What is true is that the Devs have priorities and adding extras like additional weapons, armor, and even higher tier blocks all beyond what we already have is not at the top of the priority list so they aren't going to take the time to do it. Your examples really don't have anything to do with the devs trying to avoid benefiting PvP players and PvE players at the same time. Your examples have everything to do with the fact that there are bigger fish to fry.
Andrivullar
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Ill take a quick note on this post right here; 15minutes of coding to add some bullet resistance to armor; 15 MINUTES. THATS WHAT IT'D TAKE ME AND IM RUSTY AS A PROGRAMMER. Why does vanilla not have this for the pvper aspect of the game; oh right, because we dont matter. So just noting, hell yeah im jaded over it. Its not like it even affects solo player, yet you claim "oh just go mod it in" So all the love of "inclusiveness" but one of us show up and ask for VERY LITTLE THINGS as far as coding goes; and we get ♥♥♥♥ on.
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"exaggerated or uncontrollable emotion or excitement, especially among a group of people."
"deny (someone) access to or bar (someone) from a place, group, or privilege."
I'll let you figure out which one is leading to anger, not hysteria. I'm aware that typed words do not convey emotion well.
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"exaggerated or uncontrollable emotion or excitement, especially among a group of people."
"deny (someone) access to or bar (someone) from a place, group, or privilege."
I'll let you figure out which one is leading to anger, not hysteria. I'm aware that typed words do not convey emotion well.
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