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I think none removeable attachments are a good idea, yes i think they should have made a 'recipe' where you have to use glue or something to attach it with so these people who favor the immersion will be satisfied a little. All said, the game it way too easy to loot said items and never have to replace them, balance is a big issue when trying to make a game 'feel' immersive, difficult and the fact you have to put a lot of effort into it.

For me, the longevity of every vanilla alpha so far has been very short and i always end up playing a modded version of the game. The progression, crafting and the loot have been too easy so far and getting to the stages of having a minibike and the concrete skill can be completed within the first couple of days.

This game is great and gets better with each alpha version, I, along with my friends, play for fun, for adventure and too survive, immersion has never been a factor for any of us, it's not that type of game imho... Keep up the great work guys and RELEASE THE KRAKEN!! :)

 
Just spoke to Kinyajuu and he said that in general mods are planned to be permanent but there is back and forth talk among the team about some mods being detachable.

I’m guessing the discussion is along the same lines as has been had here. So we will just have to wait to see where things fall—on the side of the gameplay design they want or on the side of realism or a bit of both.

Edit: He also just messaged me and said that “able/ not able to be detached” is a setting for each mod that can be changed in the xmls. So there ya go. Gun enthusiasts can go super realistic very easily if it is important for immersion.

 
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Just spoke to Kinyajuu and he said that in general mods are planned to be permanent but there is back and forth talk among the team about some mods being detachable.
I’m guessing the discussion is along the same lines as has been had here. So we will just have to wait to see where things fall—on the side of the gameplay design they want or on the side of realism or a bit of both.

Edit: He also just messaged me and said that “able/ not able to be detached” is a setting for each mod that can be changed in the xmls. So there ya go. Gun enthusiasts can go super realistic very easily if it is important for immersion.
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Awesome news.

Waitng on the "can it be a setting in options" crowd to chime in.

 
I think upping skill points per level will tend to put you too far ahead of the difficulty curve. If I felt the need I would increase the level cap.
But I dig specialization and starting over fresh. Can’t imagine playing to day 1000 just to max everything out.
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There's the real difficulty setting right there!

Keep the 200 levels as is, but have a difficulty level option at game start.

Easy mode is +2 skills per level,

Hard is -2,

Insane is you gain 1 skill point per level, dead is dead.

You're welcome. :)

 
Question: Will there be items that are only for Server or only for SP. Like Points/skill, you can do most or all stuff, just don't get efficient with specialization, but in SP people want to specialize everything so they can really enjoy all benefits. Going in that concept, can XML has item attributes so that Mod author can make a feature available for SP only or Server only. they can do it by having two version. But I am sure mod author love to maintain single XML for it.

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There's the real difficulty setting right there!
Keep the 200 levels as is, but have a difficulty level option at game start.

Easy mode is +2 skills per level,

Hard is -2,

Insane is you gain 1 skill point per level, dead is dead.

You're welcome. :)
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Not to exact number, but I do like that Game Mode from Easy to Insane are too easy as of now. All I notice in them is that zombie are hard to kill, and the way I play been safe all time, it really don't matter most of time for me based on game Mode Setting of easy or insane. Having skill point efficiency or even AI difference in level is what actually make that setting worth.

 
can we have an option that sets the number of options in the options menu please

that way i wont get too confused about how i want to play the game

 
Awesome news.
Waitng on the "can it be a setting in options" crowd to chime in.
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Because its such an absurd question for the normal casual Player that doesnt happen to be an programmer and who want to change the settings in the option-Screen like a normal guy that plays a normal game.

You have a lot of good opinions brought in, but sometimes you and certain others show a really high horse attitude.

 
Because its such an absurd question for the normal casual Player that doesnt happen to be an programmer and who want to change the settings in the option-Screen like a normal guy that plays a normal game.
You have a lot of good opinions brought in, but sometimes you and certain others show a really high horse attitude.
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Well let's think about it in this case. For an options menu toggle it would have to be either:

1) All Permanent

2) All Removable

because anything more complicated than that would be ridiculous for an options menu. Eventually there will be dozens and dozens of mods and I certainly hope you aren't suggesting that TFP create option pages (yes pages) where players can toggle each individual mod attachment to either permanent or removable.

Also...casual players probably aren't going to care enough about this issue to even want to change it away from whatever the devs decide. Casual players tend to want to play games the way the devs designed it.

Also...those who want to change it presumably want to change it for realism reasons and so doing an option menu for all removable won't be realistic either (provided they are being genuine in their agenda and aren't just wanting to avoid tough choices). So for someone who wants the attachment feature to be realistic they really are going to want to use the xml settings menu already provided to tailor exactly which mods are permanent and which are removable.

I agree that in other areas of the game general menu toggles will be good. But not in this case.

(I had this ready thanks to Jax...)

 
I think they don't want the night vision googles to be so good that it doesn't matter anymore if it is day or night.


Remember all those posts about "RNG hell" when wrench, minibike and some other recipe were made so scarce that some people never found one in 80 days while the mass of players still had them in the first two weeks? The chance of this happening is smaller if they are less scarce.

And if someone needs about 10 laser targetting pointers instead of about 2 in a whole game then he will be pleasently surprised 10 times instead of only twice when he finds one.

And even when he found the super dooper laser targetting pointer mark6 very early, he might keep it in a chest for a better weapon and be happy about the mark2 he finds afterwards, because the slot in his quality3 weapon is still empty. This is is a tactical choice he can make. "How good must the weapon be to put in my high quality mod? What mix of mods that I have collected is right for this weapon? Is this my final weapon or do I look for another one and use this as intermediary?"

If mods can be detached the player doesn't need to think anymore. Always put the best mods in the best weapon. Finished. Could be automated because there is practically no choice involved anymore.
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I am so glad I read a little more instead of responding to one of the earlier posts... I was itching to do so. I couldn't have said it better myself, meganoth. There is an obvious focus from the devs to create the "hard decisions" aspect of the game. To an earlier point, weapon mods not being detachable is immersion breaking, but carrying 5000 logs in a single slot is not?... Not to a lumber jack. A lumber jack would say, "screw the removable mods, that doesn't break immersion! There is no way in hell a person can carry 5000 logs in one small corner of a backpack! 5 logs max or the imersion is broken".

Coming from a military standpoint, I get the superglued mod confusion, but I get the reason why the devs are doing this (at least from my perspective). Decisions in the game should not come easy. The game is becoming less about the grind and more about the strategy to balance the two out a bit.

 
I for one like the idea that you can't get every skill fully maxed out in every playthrough. This will definitely improve the incentive to restart after a while.

 
Question: Will there be items that are only for Server or only for SP. Like Points/skill, you can do most or all stuff, just don't get efficient with specialization, but in SP people want to specialize everything so they can really enjoy all benefits. Going in that concept, can XML has item attributes so that Mod author can make a feature available for SP only or Server only. they can do it by having two version. But I am sure mod author love to maintain single XML for it.
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Not to exact number, but I do like that Game Mode from Easy to Insane are too easy as of now. All I notice in them is that zombie are hard to kill, and the way I play been safe all time, it really don't matter most of time for me based on game Mode Setting of easy or insane. Having skill point efficiency or even AI difference in level is what actually make that setting worth.
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Right. I have no idea of how many skill points a person gets per level and I'm glad someone saw the intent of my post.

Making the zombies bullet sponges was never a fun thing for me, BUT turn your character into a "Joe Average" and not some "Rambo on PCP" super hero and the only thing between you and death is your own wits! :)

 
It's turned into a lot of snarky and snide comments. Along with the idea that such a thing does not fall under 'fun'. Perhaps it is, for some people.

Why is it okay to ♥♥♥♥ on that, especially from a mod?

 
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