PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17

[Roland]

Or more aptly: Too little for the end of July.

Edit: I put a simple “August” to cover all possibilities. I just know it isn’t going to be this weekend. Beyond that anything is still possible.

 

[skullpoker]

Roland, obviously I can still mod the max level limit, right? So I can max out every skill...

Or you could increase the Skill Points per level so that keeping up with your crafting skills doesn't kill your progression in other areas...

 

[Drithyl]

Will it be moddable whether mods can be removed or not? I enjoy having to make difficult choices but this sounds like gems that you put in sockets in Diablo 2, that you barely ever used because you knew you weren't gonna get them back and you also knew you were gonna get a better weapon soon. The trend in later hack'n'slash games seems to have been to allow the player to remove those sorts of gems (Torchlight, Path of Exile, etc), and I agree with it generally. If the concern is that players will be switching mods in and out constantly to adapt in the middle of a fight, you can just make it require a station, or take X time, whatever.

But I think it's more fun to be able to switch them out. You still decide which mods to carry on a given expedition, since you need backpack space for looting. Plus some mods just seem weird that you wouldn't be able to switch, like say, a scope. Others I could understand, like spikes in a club. Perhaps the ideal will be to have some that can be removed and some that cannot.

 

[Ayrton]

+Random Generated Worlds are now 8000x8000 meters 7/24/18
+bandits officially postponed to A18 7/24/18

it hurts me a lot to read this 8 square kilometers is very little to explore and appearance of bandits in A18 had already come

 

[Ayrton]

so much for end of July Hell it does not even say beginning of August now.

first it was June, it was endless, then July was painful and now AUGUST! from June until today they passed like 8 hard years xD

 

[emarat]

+Random Generated Worlds are now 8000x8000 meters 7/24/18[*]bandits officially postponed to A18 7/24/18

it hurts me a lot to read this 8 square kilometers is very little to explore and appearance of bandits in A18 had already come

8kmx8km is 64 square Kilometers. Not 8 square kilometers. Before it was 100 square kilometers.

There were a lot of changes like the dungeon POI and apparently bodies of water being smaller that leave plenty of exploration even with the map being smaller. So no need to worry just because it is a smaller map.

This was also necessary so the rwg map could be easier pregenerated.

 

[Roland]

it hurts me a lot to read this 8 square kilometers is very little to explore and appearance of bandits in A18 had already come

The map will be more densely packed with interesting locations and bodies of water will be reduced in size to compensate.

You could always mod it back to 10k radius or higher and see if your server can handle the performance.

 

[Roland]

8kmx8km is 64 square Kilometers. Not 8 square kilometers. Before it was 100 square kilometers. There were a lot of changes like the dungeon POI and apparently bodies of water being smaller that leave plenty of exploration even with the map being smaller. So no need to worry just because it is a smaller map.

This was also necessary so the rwg map could be easier pregenerated.

Actually... to be fully accurate the maps are circles with a radius of 10k and not 10k by 10k squares. Kinyajuu said 8km by 8km for the new map but I’m assuming he meant 8km radius.

Assuming circles:

The old map was 314 square km and the new map is 201 square km. If the new map is a square then it really is a mighty reduction.

 

[JayzenFreeze]

first it was June, it was endless, then July was painful and now AUGUST! from June until today they passed like 8 hard years xD

exactly, this month alone has felt like 4 months or more. I keep looking at the date and its like the month froze.

 

[deathless]

Well with this extra time then A17 should run flawlessly right?

 

[Xrt]

Roland, can you ask MM if we can have a set date for the A17-E release, this time around.

I know it's not their way of doing things But this is really dragging out, for an experimental release.

Just asking

 

[Scyris]

Actually... to be fully accurate the maps are circles with a radius of 10k and not 10k by 10k squares. Kinyajuu said 8km by 8km for the new map but I’m assuming he meant 8km radius.
Assuming circles:

The old map was 314 square km and the new map is 201 square km. If the new map is a square then it really is a mighty reduction.

I've never managed to fully explore a rwg map myself anyway so the size diff is not going to bother me. What does bother me is the skill system, I mostly play the game solo, and this sounds like its going to really hurt single players. Maybe make leveling have a "softcap" where once you hit it, each exp level you get after is only 1 skill point? IMO a player should be allowed to get all the perks if they play long enough, just make it take a stupidly high level to pull it off. This way, it still matters until late endgame what you choose.

 

[Xeen]

Actually... to be fully accurate the maps are circles with a radius of 10k and not 10k by 10k squares. Kinyajuu said 8km by 8km for the new map but I’m assuming he meant 8km radius.
Assuming circles:

The old map was 314 square km and the new map is 201 square km. If the new map is a square then it really is a mighty reduction.

I know I don't have to point this out to a math teacher but that's 1/3 less map to play on, sad face.

 

[Bubo]

For the new info and to everyone who posted a

recap on the Q&A I haven't had the time to see.

:sniffle:

 

[Wolf959]

I've never managed to fully explore a rwg map myself anyway so the size diff is not going to bother me. What does bother me is the skill system, I mostly play the game solo, and this sounds like its going to really hurt single players. Maybe make leveling have a "softcap" where once you hit it, each exp level you get after is only 1 skill point? IMO a player should be allowed to get all the perks if they play long enough, just make it take a stupidly high level to pull it off. This way, it still matters until late endgame what you choose.

I second every word of this paragraph.

 

[Roland]

Roland, can you ask MM if we can have a set date for the A17-E release, this time around.I know it's not their way of doing things But this is really dragging out, for an experimental release.

Just asking

LOL.

You ask him...

 

[Wolf959]

Roland, can you ask MM if we can have a set date for the A17-E release, this time around.I know it's not their way of doing things But this is really dragging out, for an experimental release.

Just asking

have you ever coded anything? A while ago i had my husband drop me off at my teachers office to ask for help in finding a bug on my small homework assignment. He asked me when I would be done and i said "Either 5 minutes or an hour" maybe i was missing a semicolon or maybe It was a logic issue or maybe ... when the bug is found, it is found and when the game is done, it is done

 

[Xrt]

have you ever coded anything? A while ago i had my husband drop me off at my teachers office to ask for help in finding a bug on my small homework assignment. He asked me when I would be done and i said "Either 5 minutes or an hour" maybe i was missing a semicolon or maybe It was a logic issue or maybe ... when the bug is found, it is found and when the game is done, it is done

I'll be sure to ask for your "expertise" in coding next time, or maybe I'll read the book you wrote.

Until next time, please speak when you're spoken to.

Or is your name Roland?

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LOL.
You ask him...

I will !

:laugh:

 

[Drithyl]

I'll be sure to ask for your "expertise" in coding next time, or maybe I'll read the book you wrote.Until next time, please speak when you're spoken to.

Or is your name Roland?

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I will !

:laugh:

You *did* post your question in a public thread inside a public forum, mate. If you didn't want anyone else to weigh in, you should have sent Roland a pm. No need to be rude like that.

 

[emarat]

Actually... to be fully accurate the maps are circles with a radius of 10k and not 10k by 10k squares. Kinyajuu said 8km by 8km for the new map but I’m assuming he meant 8km radius.
Assuming circles:

The old map was 314 square km and the new map is 201 square km. If the new map is a square then it really is a mighty reduction.

Oh i always thought they were squares. Yeah then i am way off. Thanks for the correction Teach XD.

Edit: Oh also that jab with you dropping the ball i wanted to be funny. I kind of figured you didn’t know Prime was doing that Q&A. I felt like i needed to clarify that and apologize if it seemed as an attack. I am sorry. That wasn’t my intention.