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Well, with the new dungeon style POIs, etc. It sounds like it would still take much longer to go through the whole map compared to now even with it being larger. There's that.

 
no duh...But Snow was referencing the first page and specifically asked if it meant 8000 larger or smaller than the current size. I was letting them know that the first page note meant that the size of the map would become 8000 x 8000 and that it did not mean either 2000x2000 or 18000x18000.
I do understand the new map is smaller but it is not smaller by 8000.
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Thx for the info, either my question was worded badly or u misinterpreted it. Just wanted a comparison of 16 vs 17. Thanks again. Seems okay, never explored an entire map anyway

 
I did, got a spider infection and died within 20 minutes I think. Didn't even know what bit me :')
Quite a bummer that RWG getting cut by 36 square km. I hope that the smaller map is at least filled with more things to compensate.
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Kinyajuu did say they were going to pack it fuller with places of interest and smaller bodies of water. Add in the new level designed buildings and there will be much more exploration fun to be had regardless of the loss in footprint.

 
They are different sizes. The new A17 size is smaller than the old A16 size. It's just not 8000x8000 smaller. They went with a slightly smaller size so that the entire map could be pregenerated. This will allow chunks to load faster and provide improvements to performance and vehicle movement and lots of stuff.
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Again, I could be wrong but when they said

Are random maps 8000 by 8000 bigger or smaller than A16?
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I think they meant "Are random maps, (currently) 8000 by 8000, bigger or smaller than A16?"

I can see how it would easily be read as "Are random maps (changing by) 8000 by 8000 bigger or smaller than A16?"

 
1) Quests grant experience points. They do not grant skill points
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Ah. This is a change. I was referring to A16. Some quests gave 2 skill points, others gave 1 SP if you did not meet the deadline or 3 if you did.

You're welcoming for enticing some new info, oh fellow forum community.

 
Again, I could be wrong but when they said


I think they meant "Are random maps, (currently) 8000 by 8000, bigger or smaller than A16?"

I can see how it would easily be read as "Are random maps (changing by) 8000 by 8000 bigger or smaller than A16?"
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Correct :)

 
hmmm, the skill points change will alter a quite a few things in sp for me, especially since it also got expanded. will have to see the new perk "tree" for lack of a better word. this way I can see how to go. haven't had much luck in MP, way too damn laggy. so filling in gaps with other players won't work. and since there isn't technically going to be SP anymore, just an MP set to one person... hmmm

how will that work for the pausing of the game if it will all be MP now?

btw the sp/mp change is from a while back on A17. it hasn't changed has it?

edit: and are construction things such as concrete, switches, steel.. still locked to perks? cause someone earlier said we'd be able to do everything, just not as well. but with crafting perks... that isn't really so.

 
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Hello all I had an idea i wanted to share and i hope someone from TFP read it ,I heard MM was going to remove the numbers from weapons and I think instead it should stay like it is in the vids he posts and just stay as a single digit for color blind players

 
I wanna try MP outside of my personal servers with my friends. However, I just see it being issues especially if I end up joining one that are weeks in, or even if I start on one in first week, then to not be able to come back to it for a week and now things are even stronger. Kinda makes MP a bit off if things can just keep getting stronger as others play or the server itself is just going. Or am I missing some information about how MP works with public servers?

 
They are different sizes. The new A17 size is smaller than the old A16 size. It's just not 8000x8000 smaller. They went with a slightly smaller size so that the entire map could be pregenerated. This will allow chunks to load faster and provide improvements to performance and vehicle movement and lots of stuff.
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Ah. This is a change. I was referring to A16. Some quests gave 2 skill points, others gave 1 SP if you did not meet the deadline or 3 if you did.
You're welcoming for enticing some new info, oh fellow forum community.
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The old note challenge quests might stay unchanged. I don't know whether they will change those or not. So maybe there will be a way to keep gaining perks.

 
hmmm, the skill points change will alter a quite a few things in sp for me, especially since it also got expanded. will have to see the new perk "tree" for lack of a better word. this way I can see how to go. haven't had much luck in MP, way too damn laggy. so filling in gaps with other players won't work. and since there isn't technically going to be SP anymore, just an MP set to one person... hmmm
how will that work for the pausing of the game if it will all be MP now?

btw the sp/mp change is from a while back on A17. it hasn't changed has it?

edit: and are construction things such as concrete, switches, steel.. still locked to perks? cause someone earlier said we'd be able to do everything, just not as well. but with crafting perks... that isn't really so.
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Even now everytime you play the game you are playing on a server.

SP is a server that is locked from everyone but yourself.

In A17 you will be able to designate the server to allow 1-8 players. If you designate one player then no one will be able to join and you will have what you do now when you select SP mode.

So why the switch?

1) With a single mode the rare glitch that caused a SP game to switch into a MP game and corrupt the save will be solved. There won't be a different mode to be switched to.

2) You can go into the options and change any save to any number of players after starting the game. Want your brother to join your SP game so he can see your sick base modeled after The Serenity? Just change the number of players to two in the options and you can do it. Then change it back to One Player so he can't come back and loot your gorram brown coats.

3) Pause now works whenever you are alone on a server no matter what the player count is set to. So if you are the last one playing because everyone else in your group has a job, as soon as they all sign off you can start pausing the game to your heart's content.

4) Cleaner and simpler to understand option menu. No modes to select. You just select number of players for your game. Done.

 
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The old note challenge quests might stay unchanged. I don't know whether they will change those or not. So maybe there will be a way to keep gaining perks.
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If you find out for sure, I believe we would all like to know.

 
Even now everytime you play the game you are playing on a server.SP is a server that is locked from everyone but yourself.

In A17 you will be able to designate the server to allow 1-8 players. If you designate one player then no one will be able to join and you will have what you do now when you select SP mode.

So why the switch?

1) With a single mode the rare glitch that caused a SP game to switch into a MP game and corrupt the save will be solved. There won't be a different mode to be switched to.

2) You can go into the options and change any save to any number of players after starting the game. Want your brother to join your SP game so he can see your sick base modeled after The Serenity? Just change the number of players to two in the options and you can do it. Then change it back to One Player so he can't come back and loot your gorram brown coats.

3) Pause now works whenever you are alone on a server no matter what the player count is set to. So if you are the last one playing because everyone else in your group has a job, as soon as they all sign off you can start pausing the game to your heart's content.

4) Cleaner and simpler to understand option menu. No modes to select. You just select number of players for your game. Done.
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I knew why the change, good to know about the ability to pause when it is down to 1 player. as a primarily sp person. pausing during wife aggro or to cook is a plus

 
Roland, obviously I can still mod the max level limit, right? So I can max out every skill...
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Obviously...

:)

Devs have a vision for vanilla but they are still the lovable mod-friendly Pimps they’ve always been.

 
2) Based on the last thing Joel said to me, mods will not be removable. A t6 weapon has six mod slots while a t1 weapon only has one mod slot.
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YES. Finally a scavenger isn't obsolete by midgame. Hopepfully TFP keeps mods scarce enough.

What about removing the mod for free (money or item wise) while having the mod degrade 1 tier for each removal? That way you'd still need to find t6 mods, but it means you aren't screwed the moment it goes bad hoping you have another mod like it.
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Are you really screwed if you don't have a bigger magazine or stabilizer or silencer in your gun? (EDIT) I don't think you will have to endure empty slots if you don't waste them on every weapon you find. Also (from A16 experiences) traders will plug any holes anyway.

 
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