PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17
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Please correct me, but wasn't the reworked physics system the sole reason why they could add vehicles like the 4x4? If you want passengers then please light a candle at the Altar of Reworking next time, because that is the only reason you might still get your wish.
Well, your example is about something the parents didn't know before. Do you think TFP doesn't know about the passenger feature? Not really.
It is about influencing TFP's priorities to suit the own preferences. Some act like spoiled childs, others plead, try blackmail (I'll quit the game) or beg. Since half the forum is doing it you are simply canceling each others efforts, even if we suppose that that has any influence at all.
Inspecting the bikini atoll doesn't really sound fun. You've got a good radiation suit?
The Gronk
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At the risk of sounding like a troll... if you insist.
The physics haven't been reworked to add vehicles. I haven't seen the code so I may be wrong but I think somebody implemented, and expanded upon, the vehicle system already available in unity. That system has just had a major update so now would be a good time to add it.
I seem to remember being told that the old minibike was just the player running really fast with 3rd person view and a minibike graphic in view. And that now minibikes exist as real objects even when you drive them around. I could misremember or someone lied to me. Or the unity update has something to do with it and we are both more or less right.
It was also said that the old way makes passengers hard to implement. Or was it only to prevent falling through the world? Mmmh. I have to cast some doubt on my own assertion now.
Yes, it was talked about but always with the caveat that it is just a possibility. You are now feeling cheated because you took that as a promise. See the problem?
R
Rassilon
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Tell me, how many hours did you spent in the game?
50? 100? more ?
Like i wrote, i do understand the critic that Development is not as fast as we would wish for ( but for understandable reasons ) But to complain about lacking content or mechanics... i do not understand nor share that viewpoint.
Passengers will not be in.. Shame.
Why not be happy about the Tons of new Dungeon POIs?
Why not be exited for the new Weapon-Mod System?
Why not be eager to learn and experience the new Buff System?
Why not be curious to explore the new Terrain-Generation?
I could go on, but as a not native english speaker im going out of adjectives^^
The Gronk
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Motorbikes require a significantly different system to to anything with more than two wheels, motorbikes are inherently unstable and to this day nobody knows (or more accurately, can prove) why a two-wheeled vehicle doesn't fall over when moving. You can take sub-systems like suspension and have them on a vehicle with any number of wheels but without a stable footprint you have to kludge that unknown quantity.
Speaking of which... Any chance of adding a "kickstand" to motorbikes? I know a lot of bikers and I have one myself, letting your bike fall over when you get off is worthy of great ridicule and derision.
Roland
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There are those who don't believe that Early Access is a real thing. They don't treat this game as being under construction. They treat it as a finished game that just has lazy devs who won't fix bugs or add new content. They see the updates as DLCs. To them, Early Access is just an excuse for devs to take as long as they please and sell their finished but flawed product.
There are those who don't have an inkling about what goes into game development. Cartoons, video games, movies...it's all the same thing: moving pictures on a screen. All they know is that if the game doesn't look or behave the way they like then the devs should spend a few hours making those simple easy changes. Static worlds vs voxel worlds are completely lost on them. Developing powerful modular systems that support easy content addition and user reconfiguration has no meaning to them except when they notice all the modders able to quickly add new content but then they miss the whole point as to why that is possible in the first place and just conclude--- lazy devs don't work as hard as awesome modders.
There are those who can't see beyond the fog of their own favorite feature. That one thing defines the whole game for them. They can't fathom that the devs have a list of priorities and a blueprint they are following for the game as a whole. Until THEIR pet feature is implemented the game is broken and the devs keep breaking promises. They feel cheated.
There just may be someone who is a perfect storm of all three....
There are those who don't have an inkling about what goes into game development. Cartoons, video games, movies...it's all the same thing: moving pictures on a screen. All they know is that if the game doesn't look or behave the way they like then the devs should spend a few hours making those simple easy changes. Static worlds vs voxel worlds are completely lost on them. Developing powerful modular systems that support easy content addition and user reconfiguration has no meaning to them except when they notice all the modders able to quickly add new content but then they miss the whole point as to why that is possible in the first place and just conclude--- lazy devs don't work as hard as awesome modders.
There are those who can't see beyond the fog of their own favorite feature. That one thing defines the whole game for them. They can't fathom that the devs have a list of priorities and a blueprint they are following for the game as a whole. Until THEIR pet feature is implemented the game is broken and the devs keep breaking promises. They feel cheated.
There just may be someone who is a perfect storm of all three....
Gamida
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That is only because when the wife tells you to stop playing 7 Days it feels weird for you to say "But Moooooom!"
It may be how I explained it but that is not even close to what I was saying. I was saying you don't wait to mention something when everything is finished and in place and expect them to go back and change it. I am also not saying that they have in any way, shape or form have to go back and change anything they have done that they have already added or left out. It's more like the saying "Closing the barn door after the horses are gone"
I still don't think I am explaining it how I have it in my head.
Now you lost me. Are you talking about reality now? I doubt the physics of motorbikes still holds any secrets to a physicist, but that is a totally different topic.
In the game I would guess motorbikes don't fall over because they code it that way. I don't think TFP put in a complete physics simulation of a motorbike, they probably implemented (or used from unity) some physics variables like overall momentum, the force on objects hit with the vehicle and effects of uneven surface on trajectory. If they really simulated a (motor)bike completely you would have to do the microadjustments a biker learns to do automatically with the mouse to not fall over. That may not be fun anymore as it would make biking quite difficult in the game.
Jedo
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Well, here is what I know:
1) Real, big-budget games don't have early access, and they put their products out fast and complete.
2) Skyrim is an awesome game which has quests and building and fighting and story. If Bethesda can put out a great game like that, then this should be no problem.
3) I want swords in this game. Skyrim has swords. Guppy's Medieval mod has swords. If they can do those things, then the vanilla game should have swords too. The devs told us that there would be new weapons, so there should be swords.
I'm never playing 7dtd again.
chaosterone
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Hurry up and go on your honeymoon! They're not releasing A17 until the day you leave. Geeze DeVega, you're holding things up! Go already!I'm not saying development is taking long. I'm just saying that since A16E came out, I have had 2 birthdays, I got married, we made plans to have a honeymoon, and we probably will be making that honeymoon
You know where you made your biggest mistake? is thinking that people like that care about the update being done right. Someone will always be upset, doesn't matter how small or inconsequential the thing is.
You can't reason with people like that, they need to complain. About something.
You just gotta ignore people like that, just appreciate that the majority of players aren't like him/her. The grass is never greener for them, its only brown and dying out
I personally wanted behemoths, but no more behemoths. Oh well, modified / fixed AI to zombies hopefully works so the need for a tougher zombie like a behemoth is unnecessary.
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