PC Developer Discussions: Alpha 17

[Lonestarcanuck]

There are MORE houses, MORE traders, BIGGER buildings.
There are MORE quests, MORE vehicles, BIGGER trees

There are MORE threats, MORE guns, BIGGER world

MORE MORE MORE BIGGER BIGGER BIGGER

A17

this reminds me of this guy...Roland don't be this guy.

 

[worf3k]

i hate to sound like a broken record broken record broken record smacks self, but is it out yet?

 

[Lonestarcanuck]

Fake news wants to know...

Roland can you confirm the new effect called Chapped Lips? stage 3 you get cracked lips and bleed out unless you put aloe and use honey.

 

[The Real Joonbug]

Cold Blooded...

Although in the lore it's generally considered that zombies produce no body heat with characters in a few films claiming they're cold just before they turn this isn't set in stone.
If memory serves a human corpse reaches room temperature after roughly 8-12 hours so it's quite likely that a freshly turned zombie will still have a bit of residual heat left. There's also the fact that movement causes heat even in cold blooded animals so a wandering zombie would likely have a body temperature a degree or two above the surrounding air.

Even if the zombie has a body temperature close to the surrounding environment they should still be able to be seen with thermal imaging, even if it's only the general shape, but it would be nowhere near as distinct as a living person.

Just FYI - cold blooded animals don't have "cold blood"... they are just able to adapt their body heat to their surroundings after a bit of time. So, technically, even though the blood running through a zombie's veins may be "warm", since they are in fact, dead, means that they should be able to adapt their body temperature to their surroundings (as if they were cold blooded animals). So, if you think of it this way, lumberjacks in the freezing snow biome shouldn't be seen with thermal goggles... nor would a zombie in a desert biome - they should just blend into the environment at night (even if it was 80 degrees at night).

Who knows what the game mechanics do for zombies, but if we were to take reality into account, then my post above should technically be the rule with night time vision goggles.

 

[Xrt]

Although in the lore it's generally considered that zombies produce no body heat with characters in a few films claiming they're cold just before they turn this isn't set in stone.
If memory serves a human corpse reaches room temperature after roughly 8-12 hours so it's quite likely that a freshly turned zombie will still have a bit of residual heat left. There's also the fact that movement causes heat even in cold blooded animals so a wandering zombie would likely have a body temperature a degree or two above the surrounding air.

Even if the zombie has a body temperature close to the surrounding environment they should still be able to be seen with thermal imaging, even if it's only the general shape, but it would be nowhere near as distinct as a living person.

I've posted this before but it demonstrates how even a cold blooded animal can be seen with thermal imaging...

Good to know Maybe it is possible to mod the scope on the rifles in A17 to at least include night vision?

That being said, I CAN'T STAND SNAKES! lol

I need to get myself together and visit a reptile zoo, get over this non-sense.

Do we have any arizonans here? When I go visit my family there I need to know beforehand if there is a lot of snakes snaking around.

 

[Aldranon]

i hate to sound like a broken record broken record broken record smacks self, but is it out yet?

Yes, its out... and Roland and the other testers are having too much fun to comment. So I will make it OFFICIAL!

Stardate 2371.2, Aldranon's log:

"The Klingons, here to be known as Roland and his gang of testers, have captured Earth along with control of Project A17.

Project A-17 (Aldranon's Mojo formula #17) is the key to controlling the universe and must be recaptured at all costs!

Soon (no, sooner that that Soon), there will be a window of opportunity to launch a surprise attack and recapture Project A-17!

Be Ready! (no, more ready than that Ready.)

 

[The Gronk]

Good to know Maybe it is possible to mod the scope on the rifles in A17 to at least include night vision?
That being said, I CAN'T STAND SNAKES! lol

I need to get myself together and visit a reptile zoo, get over this non-sense.

Do we have any arizonans here? When I go visit my family there I need to know beforehand if there is a lot of snakes snaking around.

Oh... they have a few, many of which are rattlesnakes

http://www.reptilesofaz.org/snakes.html

 

[The Gronk]

Be Ready! (no, more ready than that Ready.)

"A yellow alert! That's my favourite kind of alert, it means somebody's in danger but it's not you!"

- Arnold J. Rimmer: Second technician of the Red Dwarf

 

[Aldranon]

Fake news wants to know...
Roland can you confirm the new effect called Chapped Lips? stage 3 you get cracked lips and bleed out unless you put aloe and use honey.

I'm more concerned about the foot blister debuff. And don't get me started on cowboy boot fungal infections. Everyone knows cowboys never take them things off!

 

[Guppycur]

Is it out yet?

(Someone had to ask...)

 

[LordPhoenix]

Is it out yet?
(Someone had to ask...)

I opened steam yesterday and 7days had update queued next to it.

0 byte update,was very dissapointed

 

[Professor-Pip]

Do we have any arizonans here? When I go visit my family there I need to know beforehand if there is a lot of snakes snaking around.

Depends on where you are. I live at the edge of Peoria (greater Phoenix) near a reserve and in the two years I've been here, I have seen exactly one rattlesnake and one scorpion. The more built up the area is, the less wildlife you'll see; the farther out you are, the more.

 

[Cazmyr]

Depends on where you are. I live at the edge of Peoria (greater Phoenix) near a reserve and in the two years I've been here, I have seen exactly one rattlesnake and one scorpion. The more built up the area is, the less wildlife you'll see; the farther out you are, the more.

I spent some time growing up in Chandler and my Mom lives in Mesa. Is just to hot for me to live there.

And you are right, of course, the chances of seeing a snake in town are quite small. Can happen, but not likely.

 

[Roland]

Just FYI - cold blooded animals don't have "cold blood"... they are just able to adapt their body heat to their surroundings after a bit of time. So, technically, even though the blood running through a zombie's veins may be "warm", since they are in fact, dead, means that they should be able to adapt their body temperature to their surroundings (as if they were cold blooded animals). So, if you think of it this way, lumberjacks in the freezing snow biome shouldn't be seen with thermal goggles... nor would a zombie in a desert biome - they should just blend into the environment at night (even if it was 80 degrees at night).
Who knows what the game mechanics do for zombies, but if we were to take reality into account, then my post above should technically be the rule with night time vision goggles.

I thought that cold blooded meant they lack the homeostasis necessary to maintain their body temperature regardless of fluctuations in the environment. Snakes don't adapt their body heat to the surrounding air-- they involuntarily succumb to the surrounding air unless they use a warm rock as a means to maintain their internal body temperature and resist the surrounding air temperature....

 

[Lonestarcanuck]

I thought that cold blooded meant they lack the homeostasis necessary to maintain their body temperature regardless of fluctuations in the environment. Snakes don't adapt their body heat to the surrounding air-- they involuntarily succumb to the surrounding air unless they use a warm rock as a means to maintain their internal body temperature and resist the surrounding air temperature....

wow you got schooled by Roland!

While on the subject of snakes...it was spring in the 80s up north and while digging I found a pit of grass snakes not moving so I added gas and a match, they started moving real fast! can I do that in 7DTD? Snake+Gas+torch = brush fire?

- - - Updated - - -

Is it out yet?
(Someone had to ask...)

"IT" has been out for a while now.

 

[The Gronk]

Just FYI - cold blooded animals don't have "cold blood"... they are just able to adapt their body heat to their surroundings after a bit of time. So, technically, even though the blood running through a zombie's veins may be "warm", since they are in fact, dead, means that they should be able to adapt their body temperature to their surroundings (as if they were cold blooded animals). So, if you think of it this way, lumberjacks in the freezing snow biome shouldn't be seen with thermal goggles... nor would a zombie in a desert biome - they should just blend into the environment at night (even if it was 80 degrees at night).
Who knows what the game mechanics do for zombies, but if we were to take reality into account, then my post above should technically be the rule with night time vision goggles.

Did you skip the part where I posted an actual video of a snake viewed through a thermal imaging camera? The shape of the snake can be seen due to minor differences in the thickness of the scales but it's nowhere near as distinct as the warm target in front of it.

 

[beerfly]

I thought that cold blooded meant they lack the homeostasis necessary to maintain their body temperature regardless of fluctuations in the environment. Snakes don't adapt their body heat to the surrounding air-- they involuntarily succumb to the surrounding air unless they use a warm rock as a means to maintain their internal body temperature and resist the surrounding air temperature....

That is just right. That`s why when goin camping, humans need to be careful when moving campfire stones which someone used previous night for example. The poor snake was poisonous and because a friend decided to be a hero , we send him 30km away in the hospital for the next 3 days. Good info Roland

 

[Aldranon]

I thought that cold blooded meant they lack the homeostasis necessary to maintain their body temperature regardless of fluctuations in the environment. Snakes don't adapt their body heat to the surrounding air-- they involuntarily succumb to the surrounding air unless they use a warm rock as a means to maintain their internal body temperature and resist the surrounding air temperature....

Some frogs are total badass's. They can freeze SOLID in the winter and in the spring, they thaw out and are fine. Are they really fine?

 

[beerfly]

wow you got schooled by Roland!
While on the subject of snakes...it was spring in the 80s up north and while digging I found a pit of grass snakes not moving so I added gas and a match, they started moving real fast!

Hey, do you really kill snakes like that , we just move them away carefully no matter poisonous or not. Well, we needeed example once, but it was exeption (reason on my post above)

 

[beerfly]

Some frogs are total badass's. They can freeze SOLID in the winter and in the spring, they thaw out and are fine. Are they really fine?

They just slow their heart beat and breathing, so their temperature drops to the environment temp and they become hibernated. Water frogs do same but they breath through their skin underwater. Hell of a perk.